What do these guys have to do to be considered the greatest?

[studentofthegam]

Are you saying you want to hear a contrived fairy tale rather than the reality of an honest answer?

Yes. 95% of the post on here are fairy tales and excuses when people ask for truth. When you guys get a chance to make up some **** the crickets chirp.

[studentofthegam]

We discuss the p4p all time best ever because there are fighters who deserve to be mentioned in the top 50, top 40, top 30, but you wanted to know if anyone fighting today can be the best ever, and the reality is that because of the way the sport operates there is little to no chance that any fighter will do what would have to be done to crack the top 5 ever, let alone be the best.

Lik Jab said, do you want us to lie and say something ****** like "Mayweather is the GOAT if he beats Pacquiao and Martinez" or "Pacquiao is the best if he beats Mayweather and Paul Williams"?

If you can argue for a top 5 then it is totally ok to pick one. Especially when nobody knows for sure and you choose the moves. Thats what we do anyway. No imagination=No forum discussions. No one in 1994 would have guessed that Roy would eventually be the HW champ. That person who did would have beeen thought a fool. Here in 2010 they would be genius for having that foresight.

[JAB5239]

Yes. 95% of the post on here are fairy tales and excuses when people ask for truth. When you guys get a chance to make up some **** the crickets chirp.

Ok, as you wish.

First off Manny and Floyd have to fight. The winner than has to move up and beat PWill and than dethrone Martinez. 160 is a weak division though so that isn't going to be enough to be the greatest ever. He than has to go to 168 and clear out all the top competition as well as win and defend that title 5 or 6 times. It would still be very close as to whether they deserve GOAT honors, but a win over the current top fighter at 175 should seal the deal. Im not sure many would argue with that combined with their current resumes.

[studentofthegam]

Ok, as you wish.

First off Manny and Floyd have to fight. The winner than has to move up and beat PWill and than dethrone Martinez. 160 is a weak division though so that isn't going to be enough to be the greatest ever. He than has to go to 168 and clear out all the top competition as well as win and defend that title 5 or 6 times. It would still be very close as to whether they deserve GOAT honors, but a win over the current top fighter at 175 should seal the deal. Im not sure many would argue with that combined with their current resumes.

My man (Denzel's training day voice). That doesnt sound so far fetched. My conclusion is similar but I think the 168 could be high enough. Light heavy isnt very deep and Bhop will retire too soon. None of the weight classes other than 168 would warrant more than one maybe two fights. Since they are the most popular nobody would argue them jumping from champion to champion. I dont think pac could hold much more weight but I also thought 147 was too much so **** what I think. Age is their worst enemy like all fighters. They would definitely have to fight 3 times a year though.

[goblin213]

If one of them turns water into wine, walks on water, resurrects the dead then that one will be the GOAT! Til' then they are bums!

[studentofthegam]

If one of them turns water into wine, walks on water, resurrects the dead then that one will be the GOAT! Til' then they are bums!

Thats the majority vote these days. I do remember that one time Ali and SRR got together and turned one fish into 50,000.LOL

[THe TRiNiTY]

Obviously, nothing is across the board. However, certain things come to mind.

1. He must have beaten true hall of famers. Fighters that actually matter. It also helps if he beat them when THEY mattered.

2. He must have been considered the best fighter in the world for a decent period of time. Something that seems easier than it truly is.

3. Must have won belts in multiply divisions OR reigned in that division for a significant amount of time as the TRUE champion in that division.

4. Being undefeated for a long period of time isn't the only thing, but it doens't help. You don't have to have no losses, just have some very nice streaks.

5. All around skills that would allow you to match up with the best that have ever done it, period. Regardless of era.

Truthfully, longevity is key.

[daggum]

omar narvaez has a case for being the greatest. pity he doesn't get any coverage from the biased american media.

UNDEFEATED

17 TITLE DEFENSES

MOVED UP AND IS NOW A 2 WEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION

FOUGHT AROUND THE WORLD IN ARGENTINA, FRANCE, ITALY AND SPAIN

DUCKED BY ALL THE BEST 112 AND 115 POUND FIGHTERS

[studentofthegam]

Obviously, nothing is across the board. However, certain things come to mind.

1. He must have beaten true hall of famers. Fighters that actually matter. It also helps if he beat them when THEY mattered.

2. He must have been considered the best fighter in the world for a decent period of time. Something that seems easier than it truly is.

3. Must have won belts in multiply divisions OR reigned in that division for a significant amount of time as the TRUE champion in that division.

4. Being undefeated for a long period of time isn't the only thing, but it doens't help. You don't have to have no losses, just have some very nice streaks.

5. All around skills that would allow you to match up with the best that have ever done it, period. Regardless of era.

Truthfully, longevity is key.

That sounds attainable. I can accept any response outside of no fighter can ever compare to fighters before them. That sounds much more illogical in my book.

[studentofthegam]

omar narvaez has a case for being the greatest. pity he doesn't get any coverage from the biased american media.

UNDEFEATED

17 TITLE DEFENSES

MOVED UP AND IS NOW A 2 WEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION

FOUGHT AROUND THE WORLD IN ARGENTINA, FRANCE, ITALY AND SPAIN

DUCKED BY ALL THE BEST 112 AND 115 POUND FIGHTERS

Guilty as charged. I usually dont look below 122 because there arent many Americans that I know of. Im on it right now.