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  • BatNelson
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    #11
    Originally posted by CarlosG815
    I would agree with most of what you are saying but in the 11th round against a ferocious monster like Moran I could only imagine how exhausted he must have been at that point in the fight. You're right though, he was genuinely hurt, without question...
    I wouldnt think that a guy who goes 42 rounds against arguably the best LW ever in prime Joe Gans is exhausted after 10 rounds against Owen Moran.

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    • CarlosG815
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      #12
      Originally posted by BatNelson
      I wouldnt think that a guy who goes 42 rounds against arguably the best LW ever in prime Joe Gans is exhausted after 10 rounds against Owen Moran.
      That's true. We have no way of knowing what his conditioning was like in 1910 when he fought Moran, but I will say that while Joe Gans is regarded as one of the greatest lightweights of all time, his style was very different from Morans and when you're fighting at a Moran pace it makes for a different fight.

      Joe Frazier was another high pressure fighter who would set a very fast pace and guys like Ali who had proven to be long distance fighter would be winded in the later rounds against Frazier.

      Jake La Motta was the same way and that was the reason Robinson claimed he lost the one fight to him... He said Jake just fought at such an incredible pace so for the next fight conditioning was "the name of the game" and the key to winning.

      Perhaps this was the case in Nelson/Moran. I'm not saying that's definitely what it was but it's a thought that crossed my mind.

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        #13
        Originally posted by CarlosG815
        That's true. We have no way of knowing what his conditioning was like in 1910 when he fought Moran, but I will say that while Joe Gans is regarded as one of the greatest lightweights of all time, his style was very different from Morans and when you're fighting at a Moran pace it makes for a different fight.

        Joe Frazier was another high pressure fighter who would set a very fast pace and guys like Ali who had proven to be long distance fighter would be winded in the later rounds against Frazier.

        Jake La Motta was the same way and that was the reason Robinson claimed he lost the one fight to him... He said Jake just fought at such an incredible pace so for the next fight conditioning was "the name of the game" and the key to winning.

        Perhaps this was the case in Nelson/Moran. I'm not saying that's definitely what it was but it's a thought that crossed my mind.
        Good points as always Carlos.

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        • CarlosG815
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          #14
          Aaron Pryor was another guy who could suck the life out of you in the ring. Alexis Arguello had fought some battles but Pryor just proved to be too much and in their first fight I think Arguello was more exhausted than anything else by the later rounds. Hurt also, without question, but he claimed Mancini hurt him bad but Arguello was able to put him away because Mancini himself was winded.... Not the case with Pryor, he never slowed in pace and in the later rounds you just can't recover.

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