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yall are blind sob's. pacquiao with all those "protein" shakes and daily 8,000 calorie along with trips to that greasy azz thai place next to the gym...pacquiao can make 140 EASY
facts, *****s.
facts, *****s.
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Real talk right there from el ray.
This is an old post.....
It's so fkn obvious, I found out that even Dougie agree's with meTo all of the posters that know more about Manny's singing prowess than his boxing abilities, this will explain why it is a b1tch move for Manny Pacquiao to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at 147......
Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.
Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.
Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.
Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.
Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....
Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....
Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?
Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.
The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.
On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.
Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.
The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.
And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.
The point is.....
Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....
..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!
" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
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post #232: I said "I questioned the Margo vs Manny fight being at 150 for a title. "
post #234: and but the words "questioned it" wasn't enough for you and you went on a crusade of sorts,
Post 238: I'm telling you why were you going on an all out blitz when I was agreeing with you!
Cool, so you are a Marquez fan, not a Floyd fan.
I actually like Marquez too!
It may be hard for you to believe but in their first fight (Marquez vs Manny) especially after that 1st round, I was pulling for Marquez. I like underdogs and hoped he could make a fight of it and he did.
If you were talking to me about THAT Marquez then I would, without question, think that would be the best option. There would be no need of discussion ....
BUT we are talking about THIS Marquez who would be at the very least months shy of 38 if he were to fight Manny in May and 38+ if he were to fight Marquez after Mosley.
Now add that Marquez has only 1 fight above 135 and lost. Plus, Marquez had to use every single ounce of himself to dispose of Juan Diaz, both times at 135. Makes me quite sure that he would lose decisively against THIS Manny at 140+.
You even admitted Marquez's ineffectiveness above 135.
Here is a statement that YOU made:
"Are you trying to tell me that you think Marquez IS effective above 135?"
"FACT: Marquez is an already-stretched LW, who is not effective above 135"
From the above 2 statements you are declaring that if Marquez fights at 136+ that he has no chance against good quality boxers. That being said, if Manny comes in at 140 or 147 then he destroys Marquez due to Marquez ineffectiveness at that weight. YOU EVEN ADMITTED THAT!!!
As for Manny vs Floyd, are you serious? Everyone wants to see Floyd vs Manny. Marquez vs Manny only has the trilogy factor but if you poll everyone, you would see what people think. While some may like the trilogy factor, as I already pointed out, most would say that Manny sparks THIS Marquez at 140+.
You are contradicting yourself: You said "Marquez has no interest in WW" ..... If Marquez had the money that he asked for, he was OK with fighting above 140 division. You said it yourself later in your post that "Marquez agreed to fight Manny at 147". Yet you are talking about reasoning, dishonesty and ignorance? You are all over the map.
Yes, styles makes fights but as I said above, if they fight again, you will NOT be seeing the same Marquez that fought Manny at 126 and 130. If you think that then it is not me being dishonest and ignorant and I can provide a mirror to deflect those comments of yours.
You use your words very loosely. Often, you call people dishonest and other names with little or no basis. You just did it again with me so there is no point in providing you other links. Just go look at you stating that against me yet you were contradicting yourself. As for what you call dishonesty (and more), more often than not, they are just people's opinions that you do not agree with but you always need to go several steps further.
BUT hey, it's a free world and you can continue doing it your way, I guess.Last edited by ADP02; 01-16-2011, 01:40 AM.Comment
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It may be hard for you to believe but in their first fight (Marquez vs Manny) especially after that 1st round, I was pulling for Marquez. I like underdogs and hoped he could make a fight of it and he did.
Correct, I do not believe that for one second dude
I am actually quite sure that is bull****.
If you were talking to me about THAT Marquez then I would, without question, think that would be the best option. There would be no need of discussion ....
BUT we are talking about THIS Marquez who would be at the very least months shy of 38 if he were to fight Manny in May and 38+ if he were to fight Marquez after Mosley.
Now add that Marquez has only 1 fight above 135 and lost. Plus, Marquez had to use every single ounce of himself to dispose of Juan Diaz, both times at 135. Makes me quite sure that he would lose decisively against THIS Manny at 140+.
You even admitted Marquez's ineffectiveness above 135.
" quite sure " is bull****, lets find out.
Here is a statement that YOU made:
"Are you trying to tell me that you think Marquez IS effective above 135?"
"FACT: Marquez is an already-stretched LW, who is not effective above 135"
From the above 2 statements you are declaring that if Marquez fights at 136+ that he has no chance against good quality boxers. That being said, if Manny comes in at 140 or 147 then he destroys Marquez due to Marquez ineffectiveness at that weight. YOU EVEN ADMITTED THAT!!!
Rubbish kid, I said no such thing. Are you attempting to put words into my mouth? Marquez could beat a number of 140lb'ers, but you are an idiot if you do not think that Manny would have a significant advantage over Marquez, even at 140. Insisting upon 147 is a cowardly b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao, and you know it.
Stop trying to twist the technical meanings of words you dishonest whiney ****, it is clearly obvious what I meant
As for Manny vs Floyd, are you serious? Everyone wants to see Floyd vs Manny. Marquez vs Manny only has the trilogy factor but if you poll everyone, you would see what people think. While some may like the trilogy factor, as I already pointed out, most would say that Manny sparks THIS Marquez at 140+.
Who cares what your opinion is re: the result of that fight? Roach and co. thought they could easily beat Marquez in the second fight as well, so according to your methodology, which is plainly silly, there is no point in Manny fighting the overwhelming favorite Mayweather either?
You are contradicting yourself: You said "Marquez has no interest in WW" ..... If Marquez had the money that he asked for, he was OK with fighting above 140 division. You said it yourself later in your post that "Marquez agreed to fight Manny at 147". Yet you are talking about reasoning, dishonesty and ignorance? You are all over the map.
Correct, you whiney fkn idiot ****, CLEARLY Marquez has no interest in WW you whiney ****, he just wants Manny. What the *** are you on? *** off with your whiney dishonest bull****..
" Yes, styles makes fights but as I said above, if they fight again, you will NOT be seeing the same Marquez that fought Manny at 126 and 130. If you think that then it is not me being dishonest and ignorant and I can provide a mirror to deflect those comments of yours.
You use your words very loosely. Often, you call people dishonest and other names with little or no basis. You just did it again with me so there is no point in providing you other links. Just go look at you stating that against me yet you were contradicting yourself. As for what you call dishonesty (and more), more often than not, they are just people's opinions that you do not agree with but you always need to go several steps further.
BUT hey, it's a free world and you can continue doing it your way, I guess "
Aside from your whiney bull****, it is plainly obvious what my bottom line was, you just chose to be dishonest, again
The point is.....
" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
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" Yes, styles makes fights but as I said above, if they fight again, you will NOT be seeing the same Marquez that fought Manny at 126 and 130. If you think that then it is not me being dishonest and ignorant and I can provide a mirror to deflect those comments of yours.
You use your words very loosely. Often, you call people dishonest and other names with little or no basis. You just did it again with me so there is no point in providing you other links. Just go look at you stating that against me yet you were contradicting yourself. As for what you call dishonesty (and more), more often than not, they are just people's opinions that you do not agree with but you always need to go several steps further.
BUT hey, it's a free world and you can continue doing it your way, I guess "
Aside from your whiney bull****, it is plainly obvious what my bottom line was, you just chose to be dishonest, again
The point is.....
" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2630/doug...riday_mailbag/
You asked for a link and I provided it for you. Funny how you avoided that. Actually, you even removed it from my response!
The below comments is what you admitted to. If you didn't understand, that is what I meant. I put QUOTES to state what YOU ADMITTED to. I also said ... Here is a statement that YOU made .... Not sure why you are confused. Now, I am stating that by your admission to those statements that you made, one can pretty much conclude that THIS Marquez would lose to Manny. You can simply say, "NO" instead of stating that a person is dishonest. Maybe you don't know what the meaning of "dishonest" is. Is that your problem?
Here is a statement that YOU made:
"Are you trying to tell me that you think Marquez IS effective above 135?"
"FACT: Marquez is an already-stretched LW, who is not effective above 135"
Also add that YOU said:
"Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez"
"Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez"
"Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135."
You are trying to divert your contradiction of "Marquez stating that he would fight even at 147" then you stating "Marquez has no interest fighting Manny at WW" ....... NO INTEREST would mean Marquez would NOT FIGHT at 147, no matter if Manny agrees or not. That is not the case buddy!
As for what Roach said and what Arum said: SO WHAT!!! YES, they are trying to get every advantage for their fighter BUT you are making it look like it's criminal of them to get every advantage that they can get.
Think about it for a minute? What else would you expect? Do you think if Marquez had that leverage he would be saying, oh but lets make sure that its more fair for Manny?
If you think that then read a recent post about what Marquez said about Morales and his requests. Give me a break!
Finally, for me personally, it could even be at 140 but I wonder if its a good idea for Manny to fight there when his real goal is to beat a 147 fighter called Floyd. Manny should fight and maintain the 147 form (level) before that big fight ..... and maybe just maybe that is what Roach and company are thinking about .
I think it would take more than a 38 year old Marquez to come down to 140. Most believe Manny sparks Marquez at 140+ so relatively speaking, the draw isn't their .... maybe one of those other guys (Bradley, Alexander ..) can bring him down as it would look like a more credible opponent, being that they are the champ at 140.Last edited by ADP02; 01-17-2011, 10:19 PM.Comment
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