Resume, career, accomplishments: Adamek vs Haye, you decide...

[GRANDSLAM]

Haye won 3 belts at CW plus the Ring/Lineal, Adamek won 1 plus the Ring (vacant) .

Haye has won the WBA HW belt (hence why Wladisthechamp, Tunney, Hitman etc etc are soo obsessed with him). Adamek has beat Michael Grant (who Vitali's boss smashed 10 years ago), well done.

By choosing to fight Chisora, Wlad ducked Haye. If he wanted to fight Haye he would've told Chisora to step aside but he didnt. Since when did fighters book 2 fights in advance? Looks suspect to me.

[Slick_Rick]

The TS has a agenda, but I would say Adamek has the better resume, even at CW. Haye was quite lucky in his path for becoming undisputed champ.

O Neil-Bell, Cunningham & Banks, is better than Fragomeni, Mormeck & Maccarinelli IMO.

[jrosales13]

Riighttt...I am the idiot for thinking that a CW who had ONE defense his whole career at CW and only TWO title fights is not top 20. It's not like he beat anyone good, a shot Mormeck and crap Enzo does not make a legacy, no matter how you spin it.

You can throw shot this and crap this all you want but his wins over Fragomeni, Mormeck, and Enzo are all solid wins. Mormeck was the lineal champion of the division and had just beaten O'neil Bell months before. So he wasn't "shot". Enzo was a title holder that was rank in the top 5 and had a win over Braithwaite a year earlier so wasn't really crap. Only his chin was crap but overall not really crap. Fragomeni was undefeated and who later went on to win a title.

All were solid wins no matter how you spin it. To say he doesn't rank top 20 all time is idiotic. He has a case to be top 10 in the division. Granted the division just sucks historic wise. But, has a case. Not saying he is top 10 but has a case. But, to say not even top 20 just makes you an idiot.

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Haye vs. Adamek: A breakdown of their respective careers.


Adamek's LHW career:

- He won a vacant alphabet title at LHW against Paul Briggs by MD. Adamek did not beat anybody of note at LHW - only Briggs twice (a nobody) and Ulrich (European champ), both were not big names. He lost his first fight against top-level competition (a wide-UD to Chad Dawson).

Cruiserweight careers:

Adamek:

- At Cruiserweight Adamek had only 2 wins of note; the first against a past-prime O'Neil Bell, and the second was the best win of his career - against Steve Cunningham, which was a very good win it must be said. After two routine defenses he moved up to HW.

- At Cruiserweight Adamek had 7 fights, 5 of which were won by stoppage. His KO ratio at CW was therefore 71%.

Haye:

- Only loss came in his 11th pro fight in his first big fight (IBO Cruiserweight title) against a former world titlist Carl Thompson, who was past-prime, this however can be forgiven as Haye was very green.

- His first big win came in his 19th fight against Giacobbe Fragomeni. Haye was the first man to beat Fragomeni, who himself later went on to win a world title.

- Haye later defeated Mormeck on his home turf by TKO to win the WBC and WBA Cruiserweight titles, as well as the lineal title.

- He then unified against a prime Enzo Maccarinelli (28-1) who had several successful defenses of his WBO title.

- Haye therefore became lineal and undisputed Cruiserweight champion.

- Haye had 19 fights at the Cruiserweight limit with 18 wins, 17 of which were via stoppage. His KO ratio was therefore 89.5%.

Heavyweight careers:

Adamek:

- He has fought several C-class fighters at HW.

- His best win was an majority decision over Arreola, who is a B-class fighter that is over-weight and easy-to-beat.

- It should also be noted that Adamek has 2 stoppages at HW out of 5 fights, a 40% KO ratio.

Haye:

- After a win over journeyman Monte Barrett he fought for the WBA Heavyweight title, winning an MD over Nikolai Valuev in Germany.

- He has since defended it twice. Once against a mandatory, former champion John Ruiz (past-prime) and next against European champion Audley Harrison.

- At Heavyweight, Haye has had 7 fights (including 2 early in his career). He has won all 7 with 6 by stoppage, that is a KO ratio of 86%.

Other facts and observations:

- Haye and Adamek are both two-division champions.

- Haye has a record of 5-0 (4 KOs) in world title fights. 80% KO ratio.

- Adamek has a record of 6-1 (3 KOs) in world title fights. 43% KO ratio.

- Neither Haye or Adamek have ever won a UD in a world title fight; Adamek has won two MDs and a SD, where as Haye has won 1 MD.

- Given that Adamek has a low KO ratio in title fights (40%) and has only won close decisions in title fights, it could be suggested that Adamek lacks killer instinct.

- Haye has never been outboxed over 12 rounds. His only loss was a KO early in his career. Adamek however has lost a wide-UD at LHW to Dawson.

- Adamek has a career KO ratio of 64%. Where as Haye's ratio is 88%.

- Haye has beaten 5 world titlists (Fragomeni, Mormeck, Maccarinelli, Valuev, Ruiz).

- Adamek has beaten 2 world titlists (Bell, Cunningham).

- Haye has lost to 1 world titlist (Thompson), so too has Adamek (Dawson).

- Adamek has never unified a division, where as Haye unified the Cruiserweight division by defeating Maccarinelli.

- Haye became lineal champion at CW by de-throwning the current champion (Mormeck). Adamek won the vacant lineal title.


Summary:

Haye:

- Two division champion.
- Former undisputed, and lineal, Cruiserweight champion.
- Current WBA Heavyweight champion.
- Defeated 5 world titlists.
- 5-0 (4) in title fights.
- KO ratio of 89.5% at Cruiserweight, 86% at Heavyweight, and 88% overall.
- Rated at number 2 by The Ring at HW, weeks on list: 94.

Adamek

- Two-division champion (LHW and CW)
- Former lineal CW champ
- Has defeated 2 world titlists.
- 6-1-0 (3) in title fights.
- KO ratio of 71% at CW, 40% at Heavyweight, and 64% overall.
- Rated at number 4 by The Ring at HW, weeks on list: 37.

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The winner in my opinion is David Haye. Haye has accomplished more in his career and in a shorter space of time too. Haye is also bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic than Adamek; if they were to ever fight I therefore believe that Haye would win by stoppage. I do like Adamek though, he is a good boxer.


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on the poll, is Goral Adamek. And is Gayevid David Haye?

[WladIsTheChamp]

on the poll, is Goral Adamek. And is Gayevid David Haye?

Yes, Goral is Adamek's Polish nickname. Gayevid is self-explanatory.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Adamek's LHW career:

- He won a vacant alphabet title at LHW against Paul Briggs by MD. Adamek did not beat anybody of note at LHW - only Briggs twice (a nobody) and Ulrich (European champ), both were not big names. He lost his first fight against top-level competition (a wide-UD to Chad Dawson).

Cruiserweight careers:

Adamek:

- At Cruiserweight Adamek had only 2 wins of note; the first against a past-prime O'Neil Bell, and the second was the best win of his career - against Steve Cunningham, which was a very good win it must be said. After two routine defenses he moved up to HW.

- At Cruiserweight Adamek had 7 fights, 5 of which were won by stoppage. His KO ratio at CW was therefore 71%.

Haye:

- Only loss came in his 11th pro fight in his first big fight (IBO Cruiserweight title) against a former world titlist Carl Thompson, who was past-prime, this however can be forgiven as Haye was very green.

- His first big win came in his 19th fight against Giacobbe Fragomeni. Haye was the first man to beat Fragomeni, who himself later went on to win a world title.

- Haye later defeated Mormeck on his home turf by TKO to win the WBC and WBA Cruiserweight titles, as well as the lineal title.

- He then unified against a prime Enzo Maccarinelli (28-1) who had several successful defenses of his WBO title.

- Haye therefore became lineal and undisputed Cruiserweight champion.

- Haye had 19 fights at the Cruiserweight limit with 18 wins, 17 of which were via stoppage. His KO ratio was therefore 89.5%.

Heavyweight careers:

Adamek:

- He has fought several C-class fighters at HW.

- His best win was an majority decision over Arreola, who is a B-class fighter that is over-weight and easy-to-beat.

- It should also be noted that Adamek has 2 stoppages at HW out of 5 fights, a 40% KO ratio.

Haye:

- After a win over journeyman Monte Barrett he fought for the WBA Heavyweight title, winning an MD over Nikolai Valuev in Germany.

- He has since defended it twice. Once against a mandatory, former champion John Ruiz (past-prime) and next against European champion Audley Harrison.

- At Heavyweight, Haye has had 7 fights (including 2 early in his career). He has won all 7 with 6 by stoppage, that is a KO ratio of 86%.

Other facts and observations:

- Haye and Adamek are both two-division champions.

- Haye has a record of 5-0 (4 KOs) in world title fights. 80% KO ratio.

- Adamek has a record of 6-1 (3 KOs) in world title fights. 43% KO ratio.

- Neither Haye or Adamek have ever won a UD in a world title fight; Adamek has won two MDs and a SD, where as Haye has won 1 MD.

- Given that Adamek has a low KO ratio in title fights (40%) and has only won close decisions in title fights, it could be suggested that Adamek lacks killer instinct.

- Haye has never been outboxed over 12 rounds. His only loss was a KO early in his career. Adamek however has lost a wide-UD at LHW to Dawson.

- Adamek has a career KO ratio of 64%. Where as Haye's ratio is 88%.

- Haye has beaten 5 world titlists (Fragomeni, Mormeck, Maccarinelli, Valuev, Ruiz).

- Adamek has beaten 2 world titlists (Bell, Cunningham).

- Haye has lost to 1 world titlist (Thompson), so too has Adamek (Dawson).

- Adamek has never unified a division, where as Haye unified the Cruiserweight division by defeating Maccarinelli.

- Haye became lineal champion at CW by de-throwning the current champion (Mormeck). Adamek won the vacant lineal title.


Summary:

Haye:

- Two division champion.
- Former undisputed, and lineal, Cruiserweight champion.
- Current WBA Heavyweight champion.
- Defeated 5 world titlists.
- 5-0 (4) in title fights.
- KO ratio of 89.5% at Cruiserweight, 86% at Heavyweight, and 88% overall.
- Rated at number 2 by The Ring at HW, weeks on list: 94.

Adamek

- Two-division champion (LHW and CW)
- Former lineal CW champ
- Has defeated 2 world titlists.
- 6-1-0 (3) in title fights.
- KO ratio of 71% at CW, 40% at Heavyweight, and 64% overall.
- Rated at number 4 by The Ring at HW, weeks on list: 37.

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The winner in my opinion is David Haye. Haye has accomplished more in his career and in a shorter space of time too. Haye is also bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic than Adamek; if they were to ever fight I therefore believe that Haye would win by stoppage. I do like Adamek though, he is a good boxer.


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Ok, good defense of Gayevid's CW resume. But you can't really say Fragiomenni was any good.

Haye is probably top 20 CW, considering intangibles, but if you take strict numbers and records, he isn't top 20. No top 20 has one defense and two title fights.

[£-4-£]

Ok, good defense of Gayevid's CW resume. But you can't really say Fragiomenni was any good.

Dude, Fragomeni went on to become a world titlist. It's a very solid win, especially considering that Haye took his '0'.

It's like not giving Marcos Maidana credit for beating Victor Ortiz. Ortiz wasn't a world-titlist then but he could well go on to become one.

Fragomeni went on to become a top-10 ranked CW and WBC world champion. He also fought Krzysztof Wlodarczyk (current WBC champ and two-time CW champion) to a draw in his first defense.

Haye's best wins:

1) Mormeck (Coming off the back of a win over O'Neil Bell. Was the lineal CW champ)

2) Maccarinelli (Prime. WBO Cruiserweight champ with several defenses. Haye took his soul, and his chin).

3) Valuev (Not the best boxer ever, but his sheer size makes him hard to fight, let alone beat).

4) Fragomeni (Inflicted his first defeat)


Adamek's best wins:

1) Cunningham (a very good win)

2) O'Neil Bell (past-prime)

3) Arreola


Haye has more wins over prime game opponents than Adamek (Mormeck, Fragomeni, Maccarinelli, Valuev), compared to (Cunningham and Arreola).

Even though the Harrison fight was a joke, Harrison was still a decent opponent (he was European champion). And Adamek fans can't ridicule Haye because Adamek defended his Light-Heavyweight title against the European champion Ulrich. So Haye gets just as much credit and criticism for fighting Harrison, as Adamek should for fighting Ulrich.

[GoogleMe]

Haye takes this one!

[£-4-£]

Haye is probably top 20 CW, considering intangibles, but if you take strict numbers and records, he isn't top 20. No top 20 has one defense and two title fights.

Considering the age of the CW division and the lack of Hall of Famers that have had careers in it, Haye definitely ranks somewhere in it's top-10.

My Cruiserweight all-time rankings:

1) Evander Holyfield.

2) Carlos De Leon.

3) Johnny Nelson.

Haye is definitely somewhere in the top-10, along with Mormeck and Bell.