Wlad vs Lewis

[hweightblogger]

You believe that only Fat guys are Quality opponents.

Never ever did I claim anything like that.

But outweighing gives you an 2.5x advantage.

The Ironic thing is that the best opponent either brother beat weighed only 213 lbs with a 46% KO ratio. He gave them more trouble than an obese Ray Austin or Chris Arreola.

And what you forget to mention is that Lennox Lewis probably ducked exactly this little guy. Thus again it's a case of Wlad > Lennox.

[Joeyzagz]

• Wlad KOed 15x opponents 6'4''+
• Lennox KOed 10x.

If you conclude anything from Lennox 10 KOs then conclude that Wlad has the greater experience with tall guys than Lennox.
Moreover none of the guys above compares with Wlad.

Average FINISH time in title fights against 6'4+

Go ahead and run the numbers....

Don't spin doctor the common opponents. Lennox got KOED by Rahman the first time around. Thus THIS is the result you should compare.

Wlad and Lennox had 4 common opponents. Wlad performed better against 3 of them.

Wladimir Klitschko vs Hasim Rahman: W TKO7
Wladimir Klitschko vs Francois Botha: W TKO8
Wladimir Klitschko vs Ray Mercer: W TKO6
Wladimir Klitschko vs Phil Jackson: W KO2
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Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman: W KO4; L KO5
Lennox Lewis vs Francois Botha: W TKO2
Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer: W MD10
Lennox Lewis vs Phil Jackson: W TKO8

WLAD LOOKS BETTER THAN LENNOX. Stay away from your spin doctoring.

Lennox yeilded the BEST result against half of the 4 common opponents, he also fought the superior versions of all 4 of these guys. Wlad shouldve been able to match or do better with Lennox's old/punchy leftovers.

By the way there is no other boxer with 50+ real heavyweight fights and LESS unavenged losses than Wlad Klitschko except Brian Nielsen. Thus Wlad's unavenged losses are a HALLMARK attribute of his quality not the other way around.

So Wlad is in the same company with inflated record Brian Nielson? lol you can tell a lot by the company you keep!

Lennox is in the same company as ATG Gene Tunney, ATG Marciano and Rid**** Bowe as the only HW champs to defeat everyone they faced.

[Boxing Scene]

Dammit. I voted for the wrong one. I think the Lewis that fought Vitali is the only one Wlad has a chance against.

[hweightblogger]

Average FINISH time in title fights against 6'4+

Go ahead and run the numbers....

First of all the height of many opponents of Lennox is missing. Thus this stat is unreliable.

Second of all this stat is a cherry-pick statistic ("Rounds needed to KO 6'4''+ opponents") thus I don't care about it at all.

But whatever: I overflew the fights against 6'4''+ opponents (I excluded wins by DQ and by Wins by headbutts) and here are the useless results:

• Wlad Klitschko faced 15 opponents 6'4''+. He fought 42 rounds with them (a KO in round #2 counts as 1.5 rounds) and scored 14 KOs. In other words: Wlad needed 2.8 rounds per KO.
• Lennox faced 11 opponents 6'4''+. He fought 33 rounds with them and scored 10 KOs = needed 3.3 rounds per KO.

And now what? Wlad > Lennox even in your own cherry-pick statistic.

Listen, when it comes to KOs NOBODY comes close to Wlad (except Vitali). Wlad is _THE_ KOer in all heavyweight history. Nobody has KOed as many good or southpawy or undefeated opponents as Wlad. The only exception are nonsense statistics like fighters with only little fights (e.g. 1 KOs in 1 fights = 100% KOratio).

Lennox yeilded the BEST result

Only against Botha Lennox performed better. But it's rather irrelevant whether you are KOed in round 4 or round 10. I don't know why anybody should care.

Hey, I got another nonsense comparison for you:

Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield: L DQ3; L TKO11
Mike Tyson vs Jose Ribalta: W TKO10
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Chris Byrd vs Evander Holyfield: W UD12
Chris Byrd vs Jose Ribalta: W TKO4

And now what? Chris Byrd is a harder puncher than Mike?

gainst half of the 4 common opponents, he also fought the superior versions of all 4 of these guys.

Says who? You? That is the problem with you: You think that younger = better and more athletic = better, whereas IT MAY BE THE CASE but doesn't have to, especially at heavyweight.

So Wlad is in the same company with inflated record Brian Nielson? lol you can tell a lot by the company you keep!

This is exactly my point. Of all the real heavyweights with 50+ fights ONLY Brian Nielsen has LESS unavenged losses than Wlad. I didn't say anything about the quality of Nielsen.

Lennox is in the same company as ATG Gene Tunney, ATG Marciano and Rid**** Bowe as the only HW champs to defeat everyone they faced.

Lennox is in the same company as Rid**** Bowe. Marciano, Tunney and Dempsey were CakaH-weights (= cruiserweights also known as heavyweights). Completely different than what is nowadays called "heavyweight".

Compare Gene Tunney (median fight weight 175 lbs) to Roy Jones (168 lbs) etc. Never mention Tunney and Mack in 1 sentence with Lennox again. Tunney and Mack have as little to do with heavyweights as "Red Indians" have with "Indians".

[Joeyzagz]

And what you forget to mention is that Lennox Lewis probably ducked exactly this little guy.

That little guy wouldve taken longer to beat than the Undefeated, 6'7 250lb TRUE (200X2) heavyweight that Lennox actually faced in 2000. Which further proves my point that your weight premise is shotty.

You totally dodged the issue of a 213 lb guy being the toughest win for the Klitschkos and the 287 lb Wolfgramm being the easiest win. You cant go around truncating ATG records when theres gaping holes like this to exploit.

[hweightblogger]

You totally dodged the issue of a 213 lb guy being the toughest win for the Klitschkos and the 287 lb Wolfgramm being the easiest win.

I didn't dodge anything... BUT Chris Byrd is utterly offtopic in a Wlad-Lennox threat. Neither does Lennox/Wlad do bend'ology nor is Byrd a power puncher. It's offtopic.

[flat1985]

ALMOST EVERYTHING BETTER? By gut feeling or by facts?

Hmm, it can't be by facts because Wlad beats Lennox in nearly every category:

• Wlad was younger than Lennox when he became champ (Wlad is in the Top 10 of youngest real heavyweight champs)
• Wlad is longer consecutive champion (years) than Lennox
• Wlad's world title win opponents are only slightly worse on the average 30-2, Lennox 32-1
• Wlad has more fights than Lennox
• Wlad has more wins than Lennox
• Wlad has more KOs than Lennox has fights
• Wlad has KOed more unique boxers (KOed 92% of boxers ever faced), Lennox (79%)
• Wlad has a higher KOratio than Lennox
• Wlad has a much higher KOratio in later rounds (70%) than Lennox (33%)
• Wlad needs less rounds (4.8) per non-bummy KO than Lennox (6.4) (Mike Tyson 4.7)
• Wlad has more than twice as many KO1 wins than Lennox
• Wlad fought the heavier opponents than Lennox
• Wlad won world titles against 13 natural heavies (= those who never boxed below 200), Lennox only against 11
• Wlad has more world title wins than Lennox (and still counting)
• Wlad won 6x against good southpaws, as opposed to Lennox who NOT ONCE faced a good southpaw (just as Mike Tyson never faced one)
• Wlad fought 7 undefeated opponents, Lennox 4
• Wlad KOed 17 previously unKOed opponents, Lennox 6

You will HARDLY FIND ANY category in which Wlad is worse except in the "being-KOed category" (3x vs 2x) and in the "avenged losses category" and that's mainly BECAUSE LENNOX HAS FAR LESS FIGHTS than Wlad thus of course has less losses.

So why should Lennox be better? Because he throws an uppercut or because he LOOKS more impressive. Well, if "looking good" and "uppercuts" don't translate into wins and KOs then they are as worthless as "trashtalking".

You see as much as you try to twist it: Your opinion is based ON NOTHING but some good-old-time nostalgia. Lennox has never faced anyone as good as Wlad and Wlad has never faced anyone as good as Lennox.

What a load of crap. Lewis fought the better opposition by FAR.

[flat1985]

Wow Tunney sinks to new lows lol. I have never seen so much **** in my life then what hevywieghtblogger has wrote in this thread Jesus!

So its 69 - 17 In Favour of Lewis at the moment

[£-4-£]

haha take that Klit-ites. Wlad gets brutally ktfo!

[JDezi4]

Don't they both have weak chins?