Wlad vs Lewis

[Joeyzagz]

ALMOST EVERYTHING BETTER? By gut feeling or by facts?

Hmm, it can't be by facts because Wlad beats Lennox in nearly every category:

You see as much as you try to twist it: Your opinion is based ON NOTHING but some good-old-time nostalgia. Lennox has never faced anyone as good as Wlad and Wlad has never faced anyone as good as Lennox.

Facts:

Lennox is the last true Lineal Champion....Wlad has never beaten a #2 or #1 ranked fighter to become the next Lineal champ.

Lennox is the last true Undisputed champion Wlad has never even sniffed the WBA or WBC belts. Only touched 1 of the big 3.

Lennox does better with Common Opponents:

Lennox fought the superior version of all 4 of their common opponents and yeilded a more impressive result in half of them. KOd Botha 6 rounds quicker,
KOd Rahman 3 rounds quicker. Wlad/Lennox fought botha around the same time...The difference in speed/raw power is crystal clear. Lennox by a mile!

Lennox beat everyone he ever faced Wlad needs his big brother to handel the tough losses

Lennox beat fighters with actual fan bases Tyson Holyfield Klitschko....Wlad never defeated a fighter that anyone cared about.

Lennox has faced someone as good as WLad and better..
-Vitali is just as good as Wlad
-Juiced up Holyfield is better than Wlad

Who has Wlad faced with Lennox's pedigree?..... Soft Ibragimov? pillowfist eddie chambers? Slow unskilled Austin? Everyone Wlad fights is either a fatas$ or a featherfist. No contest.

[hweightblogger]

Go check the results of Lennox Lewis fights against guys 6'4+
How long did they last on average?

Akinwande 6'7 5 rounds
Michael Grant 6'7 2 rounds
Shannon Briggs 6'4 5 rounds
Andrew Golota 6'4 1 round
Vitali Klitscko 6'7 6 rounds
Rid**** Bowe 6'5 2 rounds(Olympics)

Lennox is a totally different fighter when going up against the big guys. He has a speed advantage and he fights far more aggresive than he does a smaller boxer.

• Wlad KOed 14x opponents 6'4''+
• Lennox KOed 10x.

If you conclude anything from Lennox 10 KOs then conclude that Wlad has the greater experience with tall guys than Lennox.
Moreover none of the guys above compares with Wlad.

Joe Louis has a better shot at Lennox than Wlad has.

Cruiser Joe Louis (median opponent 193 lbs) has not seen any men like Lennox or Wlad in his life. Louis faced only 3 good natural heavies in his career. Real-heavyweight-experience-wise Joe Louis is worse off than Del Boy. Compare Joe Louis with Haye not with Lennox or Wlad.

Whom will you bring up next? Sam Langford?

[hweightblogger]

Wladimir and Vitali are very different fighters, not only in style but in physical attributes.

Vitali vs Lewis is more or less irrelevant.

Exactly. Especially the defense is completely different.

[Barry Halls]

Wlad would be competitive for the first half but i doubt his defense would hold together the entire fight vs Lennox.

Im undecided on Lewis vs Vitali prime for prime. Probably Lewis in a close decision.

[hweightblogger]

Lennox is the last true Lineal Champion....Wlad has never beaten a #2 or #1 ranked fighter to become the next Lineal champ.

Uff, the lineal mythology again that goes back to King Arthur.

It's FAR MORE IMPORTANT that Lewis worked his way up (as did Wlad) than that he beat some guy.

Lennox is the last true Undisputed champion

As long as Wlad's brother stays around this won't change.

Lennox does better with Common Opponents:

Lennox fought the superior version of all 4 of their common opponents and yeilded a more impressive result in half of them. KOd Botha 6 rounds quicker,
KOd Rahman 3 rounds quicker. Wlad/Lennox fought botha around the same time...The difference in speed/raw power is crystal clear. Lennox by a mile!

Don't spin doctor the common opponents. Lennox got KOED by Rahman the first time around. Thus THIS is the result you should compare.

Wlad and Lennox had 4 common opponents. Wlad performed better against 3 of them.

Wladimir Klitschko vs Hasim Rahman: W TKO7
Wladimir Klitschko vs Francois Botha: W TKO8
Wladimir Klitschko vs Ray Mercer: W TKO6
Wladimir Klitschko vs Phil Jackson: W KO2
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Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman: W KO4; L KO5
Lennox Lewis vs Francois Botha: W TKO2
Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer: W MD10
Lennox Lewis vs Phil Jackson: W TKO8

WLAD LOOKS BETTER THAN LENNOX. Stay away from your spin doctoring.

Lennox beat everyone he ever faced Wlad needs his big brother to handel the tough losses

Except of course that Wlad handled Byrd the other way around, too.

And the main reason why Lennox beat everyone he faced is because he faced only 39 real heavyweight opponents. It's a no-brainer that someone with 53+ opponents will have more unavenged losses.

By the way there is no other boxer with 50+ real heavyweight fights and LESS unavenged losses than Wlad Klitschko except Brian Nielsen. Thus Wlad's unavenged losses are a HALLMARK attribute of his quality not the other way around.

Moreover Lennox only avenged his losses if you want to call Lewis-Mc******* II an avenging.

Wlad never defeated a fighter that anyone cared about.

Is that some kind of argument?

Lennox has faced someone as good as WLad and better..
-Vitali is just as good as Wlad
-Juiced up Holyfield is better than Wlad

Vitali is not as good as Wlad. Especially since Wlad now has nearly 60 fight experience while Vitali had only 33 fights experience then. Additionally Vitali keeps his left hand low and Lennox (as the reachy ATG that he is) exposed it masterfully by beating up Vitali's left side of the face.

Who has Wlad faced with Lennox's pedigree?

Wlad hasn't faced anybody like Lennox and Lennox hasn't faced anybody like Wlad.

[BigStereotype]

Like Alien vs. Predator...Whoever wins, we lose.

[Steak]

Like Alien vs. Predator...Whoever wins, we lose.

what? It would be a good fight.

[BigStereotype]

what? It would be a good fight.

They would shuffle shuffle shuffle, paw paw paw. Then one of them would get knocked out. They can be entertaining with the right matchup. This is not the right matchup for either of them.

[Joeyzagz]

Offtopic.


Moreover: Offtopic.

Your False premise is ALWAYS on topic because you bring it into every thread. Your butchering records with it, so yes its relevant.

You believe that only Fat guys are Quality opponents. You base all your postings on this false premise in an effort to raise the Klitschkos and trash Ali.

The Ironic thing is that the best opponent either brother beat weighed only 213 lbs with a 46% KO ratio. He gave them more trouble than an obese Ray Austin or Chris Arreola.

[Steak]

They would shuffle shuffle shuffle, paw paw paw. Then one of them would get knocked out. They can be entertaining with the right matchup. This is not the right matchup for either of them.

disagree completely. Lewis would start to lose the jabbing contest and then go onthe offensive. Wladimir would end up landing rght hands on Lewis, and Lewis would begin rocking Wladimir on occasion until the KO.

I would enjoy the fight. Wladimir can be exciting if hes matched up aginst a worthwhile opponent, not one that he can just coast with.