Wlad vs Lewis

[Ryn0]

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Lewis has arm around VK's head and pulls him into the shot that opened up the eye. A hit and hold and wholly illegal.

It was a straight right hand that opened the cut.. theres a video haha

why are you making up lies?

[hweightblogger]

Lewis does almost everything better than Wladimar.

ALMOST EVERYTHING BETTER? By gut feeling or by facts?

Hmm, it can't be by facts because Wlad beats Lennox in nearly every category:

• Wlad was younger than Lennox when he became champ (Wlad is in the Top 10 of youngest real heavyweight champs)
• Wlad is longer consecutive champion (years) than Lennox
• Wlad's world title win opponents are only slightly worse on the average 30-2, Lennox 32-1
• Wlad has more fights than Lennox
• Wlad has more wins than Lennox
• Wlad has more KOs than Lennox has fights
• Wlad has KOed more unique boxers (KOed 92% of boxers ever faced), Lennox (79%)
• Wlad has a higher KOratio than Lennox
• Wlad has a much higher KOratio in later rounds (70%) than Lennox (33%)
• Wlad needs less rounds (4.8) per non-bummy KO than Lennox (6.4) (Mike Tyson 4.7)
• Wlad has more than twice as many KO1 wins than Lennox
• Wlad fought the heavier opponents than Lennox
• Wlad won world titles against 13 natural heavies (= those who never boxed below 200), Lennox only against 11
• Wlad has more world title wins than Lennox (and still counting)
• Wlad won 6x against good southpaws, as opposed to Lennox who NOT ONCE faced a good southpaw (just as Mike Tyson never faced one)
• Wlad fought 7 undefeated opponents, Lennox 4
• Wlad KOed 17 previously unKOed opponents, Lennox 6

You will HARDLY FIND ANY category in which Wlad is worse except in the "being-KOed category" (3x vs 2x) and in the "avenged losses category" and that's mainly BECAUSE LENNOX HAS FAR LESS FIGHTS than Wlad thus of course has less losses.

So why should Lennox be better? Because he throws an uppercut or because he LOOKS more impressive. Well, if "looking good" and "uppercuts" don't translate into wins and KOs then they are as worthless as "trashtalking".

You see as much as you try to twist it: Your opinion is based ON NOTHING but some good-old-time nostalgia. Lennox has never faced anyone as good as Wlad and Wlad has never faced anyone as good as Lennox.

[Joeyzagz]

Well 7 people survived Wlad (in nearly 60 fights), whereas 10 people survived Lennox (in 42 real heavyweight fights). It's approximately twice as likely to survive Lennox than Wlad.

Go check the results of Lennox Lewis fights against guys 6'4+
How long did they last on average?

Akinwande 6'7 5 rounds
Michael Grant 6'7 2 rounds
Shannon Briggs 6'4 5 rounds
Andrew Golota 6'4 1 round
Vitali Klitscko 6'7 6 rounds
Rid**** Bowe 6'5 2 rounds(Olympics)

Lennox is a totally different fighter when going up against the big guys. He has a speed advantage and he fights far more aggresive than he does a smaller boxer.

Tony Tucker is the only Big to go the distance and he was floored twice by Lennox. *First time Tucker had hit the canvas* Joe Louis has a better shot at Lennox than Wlad has.

[cklmaced]

ALMOST EVERYTHING BETTER? By gut feeling or by facts?

Hmm, it can't be by facts because Wlad beats Lennox in nearly every category:

• Wlad was younger than Lennox when he became champ (Wlad is in the Top 10 of youngest real heavyweight champs)
• Wlad is longer consecutive champion (years) than Lennox
• Wlad's world title win opponents are only slightly worse on the average 30-2, Lennox 32-1
• Wlad has more fights than Lennox
• Wlad has more wins than Lennox
• Wlad has more KOs than Lennox has fights
• Wlad has KOed more unique boxers (KOed 92% of boxers ever faced), Lennox (79%)
• Wlad has a higher KOratio than Lennox
• Wlad has a much higher KOratio in later rounds (70%) than Lennox (33%)
• Wlad needs less rounds (4.8) per non-bummy KO than Lennox (6.4) (Mike Tyson 4.7)
• Wlad has more than twice as many KO1 wins than Lennox
• Wlad fought the heavier opponents than Lennox
• Wlad won world titles against 13 natural heavies (= those who never boxed below 200), Lennox only against 11
• Wlad has more world title wins than Lennox (and still counting)
• Wlad won 6x against good southpaws, as opposed to Lennox who NOT ONCE faced a good southpaw (just as Mike Tyson never faced one)
• Wlad fought 7 undefeated opponents, Lennox 4
• Wlad KOed 17 previously unKOed opponents, Lennox 6

You will HARDLY FIND ANY category in which Wlad is worse except in the "being-KOed category" (3x vs 2x) and in the "avenged losses category" and that's mainly BECAUSE LENNOX HAS FAR LESS FIGHTS than Wlad thus of course has less losses.

So why should Lennox be better? Because he throws an uppercut or because he LOOKS more impressive. Well, if "looking good" and "uppercuts" don't translate into wins and KOs then they are as worthless as "trashtalking".

You see as much as you try to twist it: Your opinion is based ON NOTHING but some good-old-time nostalgia. Lennox has never faced anyone as good as Wlad and Wlad has never faced anyone as good as Lennox.

lol yeah Holyfield,Tyson, McCall arent as good as Wlad everyone accepts that Vitali is the better brother and Lewis destroyed him.

[Steak]

interesting matchup.


I think Lewis the boxer would have started off. and actually I think Wladimir would beat him at that slightly. I think Wladimir is a little more consistant with the jab and straight right, and it would work out well for him against a guy like Lewis.

eventually, around mid-fight, Lewis the destroyer would show up as Wladimir started fading a little(him and Lewis wrestling in the clinch would tire him out), and start blitzing Wladimir like he did Golota or Bruno(when he was behind), getting him the KO win while behind on the scorecards.

[Pullcounter]

bwhahaahahahah, wlad got pwned in the poll

[hweightblogger]

Wladimar is scared to death of big punchers. He is to cautious to survive any big punchers from recent era''s. Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers, would more than likely KO Wladimar.

Look, I'm just being realistic.

No, you are not.

• Prime Tyson and Prime Foreman would be in the BOTTOM-10 of LIGHTEST opponents Wladimir has ever faced
• and Bottom-3 LIGHTEST opponents Vitali has ever faced
• Wlad's KOpower is 1 or 2 leagues above Tyson and Foreman once you compare their records excluding bums
• Foreman has mainly a high KOratio because he KOed so many bums AND because he outweighed so many opponents (approx 90% of his opponents).
• Wlad KOs his opponents because Wlad has a good technique (Wlad is being outweighed in approx. 50% of fights)
• Foreman's non-bummy KOratio is 62% (Wlad's 83%).
• Additionally Foreman's chin is questionable.

• Mike Thaison has ONLY ONCE KOed a non-bum who was taller than 6'3'': Lou Savarese (who came after a 1-year-layoff after a loss)
• Against non-bummy lighter-than-self opponents Mike has a KOratio of 85%.
• Against non-bummy heavier-than-self opponents (as would be the case against Wlad) Mike has a KOratio of 68%.
• Wlad against lighter-than-self opponents (as would be the case against Tyson or Foreman) has a KOratio of 91%.

• Shavers is one of the guys from Ali mythology. Earnie Shavers against modern opponents (= what we nowadays consider heavyweight = 215+ lbs) has a KOratio like Chris Byrd (40%+). He would hardly pose any threat nowadays.

Again such gut-feelings ("Mike Tyson KOs Wlad") are based on nothing but childhood-delusions and gut-feeling and thus collide with reality.

[hweightblogger]

Lennox has a longer reach than Wladimir.

That's a useless feature BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW IN THE RECORD. Wlad with his smaller reach has punished his opponents far more.

ADDITIONALLY reach includes FINGER length. Thus it's even more useless than one might think.

Wlad is shorter than Vit and easier to hit...itll be a massacre!

Easier to hit than Vitali? Mmmkay.

[Steak]

Wladimir and Vitali are very different fighters, not only in style but in physical attributes.

Vitali vs Lewis is more or less irrelevant.

[cklmaced]

No, you are not.

• Prime Tyson and Prime Foreman would be in the BOTTOM-10 of LIGHTEST opponents Wladimir has ever faced
• and Bottom-3 LIGHTEST opponents Vitali has ever faced
• Wlad's KOpower is 1 or 2 leagues above Tyson and Foreman once you compare their records excluding bums
• Foreman has mainly a high KOratio because he KOed so many bums AND because he outweighed so many opponents (approx 90% of his opponents).
• Wlad KOs his opponents because Wlad has a good technique (Wlad is being outweighed in approx. 50% of fights)
• Foreman's non-bummy KOratio is 62% (Wlad's 83%).
• Additionally Foreman's chin is questionable.

• Mike Thaison has ONLY ONCE KOed a non-bum who was taller than 6'3'': Lou Savarese (who came after a 1-year-layoff after a loss)
• Against non-bummy lighter-than-self opponents Mike has a KOratio of 85%.
• Against non-bummy heavier-than-self opponents (as would be the case against Wlad) Mike has a KOratio of 68%.
• Wlad against lighter-than-self opponents (as would be the case against Tyson or Foreman) has a KOratio of 91%.

• Shavers is one of the guys from Ali mythology. Earnie Shavers against modern opponents (= what we nowadays consider heavyweight = 215+ lbs) has a KOratio like Chris Byrd (40%+). He would hardly pose any threat nowadays.

Again such gut-feelings ("Mike Tyson KOs Wlad") are based on nothing but childhood-delusions and gut-feeling and thus collide with reality.

If we discount bummy fighters does Wlad even have a resume haha