Comments Thread For: Holyfield: Mayweather-Pacquiao, Neither is Number One

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Stop cheerleading Sergio will you? Pac beats Margarito better than Sergio and you trying to make out Sergio is Pacs superior. Excuses excuses. Pac beats floyds and sergios opponents better, and you try twisting that to downgrade Pac, whats that all about?
Who is the superior opposition Sergio is fighting? Pac beats people better than Floyd and sergio so what is the probablity, so i can safely say all those great opponents your giving Sergio credit for beating Pac would beat them as well, and impressively.
As far as comparing Pac, sergio or even floyd, the we can go on is common denominator opponents. And its clear you will always make excuses when it comes to this, especially if Pac wins, if the hatton, and DLH fights against Pac are anything to go by. But a fair person would give Pac the benefit of the doubt and credit to Pac.
Sergio is the new kid on the block as far as accomplishments goes. He has had a good year but lets not get carried away that hes the best fighter in the world now.

It's true. The only reason why Pacquiao is considered P4P#1
(Not in all boxing media) is because Mayweather's not fighting.
Floyd fought the #1 WW at the time Shane Mosley and Pacquiao
fought around him. Roach even said Shane is too good for Pac
at the time and Floyd fought and beat the best at 147. Manny
didn't...... right or wrong? As for the text I highlighted. No way
Manny would have fought Pavlik and Manny already said "NO" to
fighting Paul Williams. Pac didn't want none of Paul and Martinez
and Pac fought in both weight classes. I used to like watching
Pac fight very much but the deception going on is a little too
much to turn a blind cheek to. Pacquiao fans don't make it
easy either.

[hugh grant]

Also Clottey is another Pac victim Pac detractors try ignore. Yes he gave Cotto a going over, but could he do anything to Pac? There was no catch weight clause advantage for Pac, but pac still beats Clotty like hes never been beat, a common theme with Pac.

That tells me that Pac beating Cotto at 145 is a great win for Pac, even though it put him in a position where haters could hate and make excuses. But i know thats all it is, excuses.

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Also Clottey is another Pac victim Pac detractors try ignore. Yes he gave Cotto a going over, but could he do anything to Pac? There was no catch weight clause advantage for Pac, but pac still beats Clotty like hes never been beat, a common theme with Pac.

That tells me that Pac beating Cotto at 145 is a great win for Pac, even though it put him in a position where haters could hate and make excuses. But i know thats all it is, excuses.

Pacquiao fights Oscar De La Hoya at 147 (Pac weighed 149 on fight night)
DOMINATES Oscar, then in his next fight at 147, Pac fights Cotto for his
title at 145? Then Clottey at 147? Clearly they had something to fear
in fighting Cotto at the official weight limit, so they took a lil something
from him. If that wasn't the case then Roach would have had Manny
fight Cotto at 147. Right or wrong? At first, Freddie even wanted the
Mayweather fight at a catchweight.

"Manny wants to fight the best and the Mayweather fight is the one he wants, probably at a catchweight of 143 pounds."

Freddie Roach, December 2008

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17456

I don't hate Pac but I am not fond or willing to cosign his fights
as being competitive and for status when clearly they are money
fights. Nothing wrong with getting paid but don't try to pass it
over like he is fighting opponents at their best or the best. No
matter how much we posts and beef about it, the greedy stay
getting fat while the needy is starving (boxing fans).

[Frank Ducketts]

Well, after fighting Clottey, Margarito, and now Mosley...... I would agree with that. He was #1, but now I'd rate him #2. He's gotta' step up his opposition to reclaim #1.

I never had PAc ranked over Floyd because he has never done anything to over take Floyd in the pfp rankings. No offense to PAc as he is active, and had Floyd not fought a JMM or Shane, I'd have PAc #1 pfp...

[hugh grant]

I never had PAc ranked over Floyd because he has never done anything to over take Floyd in the pfp rankings. No offense to PAc as he is active, and had Floyd not fought a JMM or Shane, I'd have PAc #1 pfp...

Sorry im not sure about the timeline. But didnt Pac beat either, Hatton, DLH or Cotto, before FLoyd beat JMM and SSM?

Dont you think Cotto is worthy of making Pac above anything FLoyd had ever done?

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Sorry im not sure about the timeline. But didnt Pac beat either, Hatton, DLH or Cotto, before FLoyd beat JMM and SSM?

Dont you think Cotto is worthy of making Pac above anything FLoyd had ever done?

NOPE. Pac fought Cotto at 145, not 147. To me that doesn't get
much praise. Mosley was the #1 WW who stopped Margarito before.
If Pac would have fought Mosley, then for sure, Pac trumps Floyd but
he didn't. No matter if Cotto beat Mosley. Mosley was ranked higher
than Cotto and Shane beat Margarito, who beat Cotto and took
his title. Oscar, Cotto and Clottey were not considered higher or
better than Mosley when Floyd beat him. Pac has been fighting more
but his fights were not meaningful in the rankings. That's why you
still have some boxing publications and sites that have Floyd over
Pac at WW and on the P4P list. Mosley solidified Floyd enough to
keep him on top and make Pac's position debatable.

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Dont you think Cotto is worthy of making Pac above anything FLoyd had ever done?

No way, not even close.

Margarito and Clottey both battered Cotto. EVERYBODY was saying that Cotto looked shop-worn and faded after Clottey. Miguel was not on top of his game, he had no trainer to speak of, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

You are correct in saying that Cotto is Manny's best win, and it was a superb performance by Manny, no arguement there..... but saying that version of Cotto is Manny's best win, is hardly complimentary.

[Steak]

anyone who thinks Cotto is Pacquiao's best win is crazy. very good win, but lets not go overboard.

His best win is still the first win over Marco Antonio Barrera.

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anyone who thinks Cotto is Pacquiao's best win is crazy. very good win, but lets not go overboard.

His best win is still the first win over Marco Antonio Barrera.

Good point, but I was referring to the "new" and "improved" Pacquiao. Many posters have rated Margarito as Manny's best win, which is absurd.

Also, the doubts over Manny's size were not an issue in the Barrera fight.