Why a lot of people think Pac is juicing? Look inside ...

[IMDAZED]

What would it take for you to be convinced that a fighter is clean? What kind of testing would you like to see?

Any fighter who is clean would be willing to take any drug testing out there to prove it. For the biggest check in their careers, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Pacquiao should be willing to take the most up-to-date testing available, particularly if his opponent is willing to do the same.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

11-14-2009 vs cotto 145lbs (30 years old)
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absolutely minimal change in pac's physique the last 3 years. yet if you talk to steroid experts such as IM*****DAZED, they make pac out like he just went all david boston in one year.

[Khalid X]

12-6-2008 vs oscar 147 lbs



5-2-2009 vs hatton 140 lbs

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That's why I have stated in the past that I really don't like how Manny looks at WW. He seems to have lost some speed and he looks soft the day of the weigh in and on fight night.

I think 140 is the perfect weight class for him but I understand WW is where the money is at, which is why he fights there.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Move up in weight and you don't have to cut....Genius!!

explanation is quite simple. its only complicated to *****s who want to convolute the situation to fit their agenda.

pac has been coming in around 144-148 since his feather weight days.

the normal welterweight weigh in for fight night in this day & age of 24 hr. rehydration is as a junior middle & middle. pac comes in as a welter on fight night. regular welters come in on fight night as a 154, 160 pounder.

[Khalid X]

11-14-2009 vs cotto 145lbs (30 years old)

absolutely minimal change in pac's physique the last 3 years. yet if you talk to steroid experts such as IM*****DAZED, they make pac out like he just went all david boston in one year.[/QUOTE]

Dawg in that pic alone I see a 20lb muscle increase. Manny looks like Mr. Universe next to Cotto in that pic.

[danny711]

Any fighter who is clean would be willing to take any drug testing out there to prove it. For the biggest check in their careers, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Pacquiao should be willing to take the most up-to-date testing available, particularly if his opponent is willing to do the same.

So a 7 day cutoff doesn't do it for you.

What about off time and not being in camp? Should a fighter be tested then? They know there will be no testing. They might want a little boost.

[Khalid X]

explanation is quite simple. its only complicated to *****s who want to convolute the situation to fit their agenda.

pac has been coming in around 144-148 since his feather weight days.

the normal welterweight weigh in for fight night in this day & age of 24 hr. rehydration is as a junior middle & middle. pac comes in as a welter on fight night. regular welters come in on fight night as a 154, 160 pounder.

Also big LW's usually come in 144-150 on fight night just like Manny.

Truth be told, him and Marquez are only 3-4 lbs apart. Those two have always been similar in size.

[IMDAZED]

So a 7 day cutoff doesn't do it for you.

I'm not the one fighting. A seven day cutoff is fine for me but...at this point...you have to start questioning this. How is it that you went from being unable to fight when tested within 30 days to seven? How? You felt real strongly about this too...you even pulled out. You said it would make you weak. Well either you were lying or you discovered that's not true. So...what's stopping you from saying I will take the full testing?

What about off time and not being in camp? Should a fighter be tested then? They know there will be no testing. They might want a little boost.

The only benefit to taking PEDs during your off-time is to bulk up, perhaps to move up in weight. And any fighter who then must stop taking it for training and then to the fight itself will certainly feel the effects of NOT taking that drug for that period. Hell, you see the effects of doing that using creatine. WADA tests athletes when they are training because that is the most beneficial time for an athlete. There will always be ways around testing, my friend. But that doesn't mean we should use the worst possible testing we can find when better is available.

[danny711]

Lol... oh, you didn't know? Pac has gained 15 pounds of pure muscle, but chooses to come in the ring drained so people can't tell.. lol..... Seriously man, we are wasting our time.

This truly is a never ending arguement. I can never seem to help myself though.

[danny711]

I'm not the one fighting. A seven day cutoff is fine for me but...at this point...you have to start questioning this. How is it that you went from being unable to fight when tested within 30 days to seven? How? You felt real strongly about this too...you even pulled out. You said it would make you weak. Well either you were lying or you discovered that's not true. So...what's stopping you from saying I will take the full testing?

The guy is willing to take the most up to date testing out there up to a cutoff that you are good with, yet you are still hating on him and saying that he's dirty. He is fulfilling the criteria you set for being considered a clean fighter.

Any fighter who is clean would be willing to take any drug testing out there to prove it. For the biggest check in their careers, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Pacquiao should be willing to take the most up-to-date testing available, particularly if his opponent is willing to do the same.

Weren't you just talking trash on people contradicting themselves?