Why a lot of people think Pac is juicing? Look inside ...

[danny711]

Don't you realize the reverse holds true? Where is the undeniable facts that he is clean? Show me.

And second, you don't know what my sources are, what research I did and why I feel the way I feel. G'head, man. You're a fan. It's ok.

Hasn't he passed every test he's taken? Maybe they're not the tests you want him to take but he passed none the less.

Some evidence is better than no evidence.

[theplayerpimp]

Maybe, maybe not. He's been pretty stand-up about his stance. No waffling. That said. Wildcard has it's demons and some would prefer to keep them behind closed doors.

and maidana was landing booms on amir yet he just stumbled to the ropes he landed about four big shots and nothing happen. That at least gets me a little su****ious and the way pac has dominated heavier people. Some body so take test on amir and if they find anything i think its safe to say pac is too.

[Twako]

it's no surprise this thread has tens of pages, the OST crusading pompom shaking cheerleader IMDAZED is here!

[IMDAZED]

Hasn't he passed every test he's taken? Maybe they're not the tests you want him to take but he passed none the less.

Some evidence is better than no evidence.

That's not evidence. Boxing tests are arguably the worst in the sports. They aren't even given multiple times. They are only given after the event and the fighters are told time and place . And, as many doctors and heads in the sport have stated numerous times, you've got to make a serious mistake in order to get caught. So no, it's not evidence. Does that mean everyone is a suspect? let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised if people on here collapsed if we were to ever find out the number of people that juiced in the sport. But that doesn't mean start a witchhunt. However, when a guy (and his entire team) lie and contradict themselves over a question that really isn't that difficult, su****ions are raised. Unless you're just a diehard ******* who wants to avoid the elephant in the living room.

[BrotherDudeJack]

and maidana was landing booms on amir yet he just stumbled to the ropes he landed about four big shots and nothing happen. That at least gets me a little su****ious and the way pac has dominated heavier people. Some body so take test on amir and if they find anything i think its safe to say pac is too.

LOL... What?!?! .. alright, well that sums it up.

[DondiNeverLeft]

Just come upon this article and it's a very interesting read.

Pacquiao is one of the highest weight climbers in the history of the sport, what seperates him from the rest of the weight climbers is that Pacquiao is shorter than the others and Pacquiao remained just as muscular and ripped as he climbed while the others looked softer and even fat.

I got a list of the highest weight climbers and what % weight they put on from the time their bodies matured, a typical male body stops growing at age 21, this means your skeletal frame stops growing in height and your body is pretty much filled out by that age.

M.A.Barrera and E.Morales matured at 122lbs, they had success up to 130lbs,a 6% weight gain for both, neither looked ripped at 130lbs…

J.M.Marquez matured at 126 lbs, had success up to 135 lbs, a 7% weight gain, still looked pretty fit at 135lbs…

Julio C.Chavez matured at 130 lbs, had success up to 140 lbs, an 8% weight gain, didn’t look ripped at 140lbs…

Floyd Mayweather matured at 130lbs, had succes up to 150lbs vs DLH, a 15% weight gain, still looked fit at 150 but not ripped…

Pernell Whittaker matured at 135lbs, had success up to 154lbs, a 14% weight gain, actually had a roll of fat around his waist for his 1 fight at 154lbs…

Roberto Duran matured at 135 lbs, had success up to 157lbs against I.Barkley, a 16% weight gain, was pudgy and even fat at this weight, even looked soft at 154lbs…

O.DeLaHoya matured at 135lbs, had success up to 154lbs, a 14% weight gain, looked normal, not ripped at 154lbs…

S.R.Leonard matured at 147lbs, had success up to 165lbs vs D.Lalonde, a 12% weight gain, looked fit at 165…

Thomas hearns, matured at 147lbs, had success as high as 174lbs vs V.Hill, an 18% weight gain, looked fit but not ripped at 174lbs…

Roy Jones Jr matured at 160lbs, had success up to 193lbs vs J.Ruiz, a 21% weight gain, looked ripped at 193lbs…

and finally there’s Manny Pacquiao, matured at 122lbs when he was 21yrs old, and has had success up to 144lbs vs M.Cotto, an 18% weight gain, looked ripped at 144lbs.

The top % weight gainers are in order R.Jones 21%, T.Hearns 18%, M.Pacquiao 18%, R.Duran 16%, F.Mayweather 15%, O.DeLaHoya 14%, P.Whittaker 14%…..Of these 7 names Duran and Whittaker looked fat at their highest weight, ONLY Jones and Pacquiao STILL looked ripped at their highest weight, and remember that Jones was later revealed to have used steroids in his career.

Of these 7 names Hearns was the tallest, at 6 foot 1 it’s a lot easier to put on weight, compared to Pacquiao who is the shortest of the 7 at 5 foot 6, yet Hearns and Pacquiao both put on 18% weight gains each.This is why knowledgeable people are suspecting Pacquiao of juicing, something is just not right here, a man should not gain 18% weight and stay ripped on boxing training while retaining all his speed and gaining power.

There’s an old saying in boxing that goes ”A great big man will beat a great small man always”, Pac has broken this golden rule of boxing by losing at the lighter weights to M.Singsurat, E.Morales and (IMO)J.M.Marquez twice, these were natural 112,122 and 126lbers, and now suddenly Pac is demolishing natural 135-140lbers D.Diaz, DLH, R.Hatton and M.Cotto with ease.

IMO Pac is on the juice, but due to UFC competition boxing needs the excitement and huge PPV buys right now, the truth will come out in the future when it doesn’t matter anymore.

http://ringtalk.com/manny-pacquiao-steroids-3-4

Well said.

But because it makes sense *******s will be out in force and angry. Intellect and common sense dont equal Pactrol brains.
They will hit you with the ole Cheato defense,"Where da proof?"

[BrotherDudeJack]

That's not evidence. Boxing tests are arguably the worst in the sports. They aren't even given multiple times. They are only given after the event and the fighters are told time and place . And, as many doctors and heads in the sport have stated numerous times, you've got to make a serious mistake in order to get caught. So no, it's not evidence. Does that mean everyone is a suspect? let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised if people on here collapsed if we were to ever find out the number of people that juiced in the sport. But that doesn't mean start a witchhunt. However, when a guy (and his entire team) lie and contradict themselves over a question that really isn't that difficult, su****ions are raised. Unless you're just a diehard ******* who wants to avoid the elephant in the living room.

Ok.. and the last we heard was Pac agreed to testing, and Floyd's team denied they were even negotiating. Anyway, u never answered my question. What would make u happy? Pac agreed to the tests and they still are not fighting. Is that what u want?

[IMDAZED]

Dude seriously....... lol... you're stiiiiill here. What exactly would make you happy? Why has the fight not happened? Didn't Pac say himself he would take the tests? It's obvious who wants this fight to happen and who doesn't. Anyway, Green K for persistence.

Pacquiao and his team have made two official statements in regards to the testing. Neither was agreeing.

And talking about boxing makes me happy. You'll find me on quite a few threads. There are a group of people who seem so butthurt by the fact that I go hard in these ones. Funny how they're all so similar.

[danny711]

That's not evidence. Boxing tests are arguably the worst in the sports. They aren't even given multiple times. They are only given after the event and the fighters are told time and place . And, as many doctors and heads in the sport have stated numerous times, you've got to make a serious mistake in order to get caught. So no, it's not evidence. Does that mean everyone is a suspect? let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised if people on here collapsed if we were to ever find out the number of people that juiced in the sport. But that doesn't mean start a witchhunt. However, when a guy (and his entire team) lie and contradict themselves over a question that really isn't that difficult, su****ions are raised. Unless you're just a diehard ******* who wants to avoid the elephant in the living room.

Whether you feel those tests are credible or not, he still passed and the commission's records will always show that. It is evidence.

You would be hard pressed to find any team, manager or promoter in boxing that hasn't contradicted him/themselves or lied.

[IMDAZED]

Whether you feel those tests are credible or not, he still passed and the commission's records will always show that. It is evidence.

It's evidence that he passed the commission test, not evidence that he's clean.

You would be hard pressed to find any team, manager or promoter in boxing that hasn't contradicted him/themselves or lied.

You're right, and in this case, Manny Pacquiao lied about testing.