Why a lot of people think Pac is juicing? Look inside ...

[straightleft]

Just come upon this article and it's a very interesting read.

Pacquiao is one of the highest weight climbers in the history of the sport, what seperates him from the rest of the weight climbers is that Pacquiao is shorter than the others and Pacquiao remained just as muscular and ripped as he climbed while the others looked softer and even fat.

I got a list of the highest weight climbers and what % weight they put on from the time their bodies matured, a typical male body stops growing at age 21, this means your skeletal frame stops growing in height and your body is pretty much filled out by that age.

M.A.Barrera and E.Morales matured at 122lbs, they had success up to 130lbs,a 6% weight gain for both, neither looked ripped at 130lbs…

J.M.Marquez matured at 126 lbs, had success up to 135 lbs, a 7% weight gain, still looked pretty fit at 135lbs…

Julio C.Chavez matured at 130 lbs, had success up to 140 lbs, an 8% weight gain, didn’t look ripped at 140lbs…

Floyd Mayweather matured at 130lbs, had succes up to 150lbs vs DLH, a 15% weight gain, still looked fit at 150 but not ripped…

Pernell Whittaker matured at 135lbs, had success up to 154lbs, a 14% weight gain, actually had a roll of fat around his waist for his 1 fight at 154lbs…

Roberto Duran matured at 135 lbs, had success up to 157lbs against I.Barkley, a 16% weight gain, was pudgy and even fat at this weight, even looked soft at 154lbs…

O.DeLaHoya matured at 135lbs, had success up to 154lbs, a 14% weight gain, looked normal, not ripped at 154lbs…

S.R.Leonard matured at 147lbs, had success up to 165lbs vs D.Lalonde, a 12% weight gain, looked fit at 165…

Thomas hearns, matured at 147lbs, had success as high as 174lbs vs V.Hill, an 18% weight gain, looked fit but not ripped at 174lbs…

Roy Jones Jr matured at 160lbs, had success up to 193lbs vs J.Ruiz, a 21% weight gain, looked ripped at 193lbs…

and finally there’s Manny Pacquiao, matured at 122lbs when he was 21yrs old, and has had success up to 144lbs vs M.Cotto, an 18% weight gain, looked ripped at 144lbs.

The top % weight gainers are in order R.Jones 21%, T.Hearns 18%, M.Pacquiao 18%, R.Duran 16%, F.Mayweather 15%, O.DeLaHoya 14%, P.Whittaker 14%…..Of these 7 names Duran and Whittaker looked fat at their highest weight, ONLY Jones and Pacquiao STILL looked ripped at their highest weight, and remember that Jones was later revealed to have used steroids in his career.

Of these 7 names Hearns was the tallest, at 6 foot 1 it’s a lot easier to put on weight, compared to Pacquiao who is the shortest of the 7 at 5 foot 6, yet Hearns and Pacquiao both put on 18% weight gains each.This is why knowledgeable people are suspecting Pacquiao of juicing, something is just not right here, a man should not gain 18% weight and stay ripped on boxing training while retaining all his speed and gaining power.

There’s an old saying in boxing that goes ”A great big man will beat a great small man always”, Pac has broken this golden rule of boxing by losing at the lighter weights to M.Singsurat, E.Morales and (IMO)J.M.Marquez twice, these were natural 112,122 and 126lbers, and now suddenly Pac is demolishing natural 135-140lbers D.Diaz, DLH, R.Hatton and M.Cotto with ease.

IMO Pac is on the juice, but due to UFC competition boxing needs the excitement and huge PPV buys right now, the truth will come out in the future when it doesn’t matter anymore.

http://ringtalk.com/manny-pacquiao-steroids-3-4

All Pac fights at 147 and above he never weighed in more than 145. During fight night, he never weight in more than 148. Now you do the comparison to those fighters fighting at welterweight. Which bring you to the fact, Pac is not a welterweight and even can still fight as lightweight. People trying to discredit Pac will not bring this fact.

[Buffalo]

Adding 10 lbs in 6 months would not happen with a man as small as Manny and with the cardio that he, as a boxer, does. 45 minutes of cardio alone is catabolic. He trains for hours in camp.

I'm with you on that one. He can't with hard work alone have increased his stamina and cardio and yet added 15 lbs. of muscle.

The football players do it point is ridiculous for obvious reasons.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Pacquiao takes the same tests as everyone else. He's clean until proven otherwise, in my opinion.

I honestly think the whole OST thing was just a pissing contest. Pacquiao wouldn't relent fully to Floyd's demands as a matter of principal. He tried to come to a compromise to save face but Floyd wouldn't back down. If Pac had caved who knows what the next demand would have been? Floyd didn't care about the test, he wanted to be in charge.

[Khalid X]

All Pac fights at 147 and above he never weighed in more than 145. During fight night, he never weight in more than 148. Now you do the comparison to those fighters fighting at welterweight. Which bring you to the fact, Pac is not a welterweight and even can still fight as lightweight. People trying to discredit Pac will not bring this fact.

It's because they have agendas.

Like I said before, If you believe he is on roids.....cool. I have no issues with people thinking that.

I just think it's annoying that these same people have been posting the same garbage almost a year.

I mean with get it....you think Manny is on Roids. Why make thread after thread about it like the TS and others have been doing>

[Buffalo]

Not at all dude, I edited that out because it was not clear whom I was referring to. I have no problem at all saying it was Buffalo.

Your posts have been the most valuable on that side of the argument in this topic, and your last post makes some good points too.

I don't disagree team Pac haven't at times slightly watered the seeds some of the Mayweathers and others have laid.

But then it makes more sense to me then, that that's because they're innocent, not that they're guilty.

If there is a guide book on how to act if accused of doing PED's, they would have read it and not said such things.

They're not clued up on the topic, trying to be anything, or guilty of anything.

The psycho analysis whilst interesting, does as much to undo the claims, as it does try to further water this bitter seed.

I haven't been on here for a year, so I don't know how your talking about me.

Did you ever hear of toney or fortune, well roach has so to say he had no clue on the topic is assinine at best.

[Gutz]

Pacquiao takes the same tests as everyone else. He's clean until proven otherwise, in my opinion.

I honestly think the whole OST thing was just a pissing contest. Pacquiao wouldn't relent fully to Floyd's demands as a matter of principal. He tried to come to a compromise to save face but Floyd wouldn't back down. If Pac had caved who knows what the next demand would have been? Floyd didn't care about the test, he wanted to be in charge.

Truth right here!!!

Floyd was just playing mind games.. he doesnt care about OST..

[Buffalo]

Like who? Because if there are, I haven't heard about it.

It's not even just Hopkins for that manner, and if you want me to I could easily name examples of guys who were either the same size or smaller than Manny and made similar jumps.

Hopkins was just one of the countless examples I can bring up.

My point is this: Why are people acting like this hasn't been done before and Manny is the only one who has made a jump in weight like that?

Please do. Fighters manny's size or smaller.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Pacquiao started boxing at around 15 or 16 years old. He was also so damn poor that he wasn't even able to PIG OUT after his fights or anything along those longs. He weighed so little at the start of his career that he needed to put weights in his pocket just to meet the minimum.

Clearly, he had room and then some, to grow. At the age of 32, he now can still get down to the weight of 140 or so pounds. If he had to, I assume he could. I don't get how anyone assumes this guy is packing on muscle. He's not.

He's DROPPING weight. He's 32 years old. Why in the hell should he still be at 126 pounds, for example. Or even, 130?

He's older and is trying to make the most money. That's at the bigger weight classes. He's coached well enough and is fast enough to get away with fighting people that might be naturally a bit bigger, but it's not a miracle or impossible. Plenty of fighters that were naturally a bit smaller for a division north of their own, had one skill or quality that allowed them to move up and have success.

Some had power. Some had speed. Some had defense. But, it happens.

Relax, kiddies. You and I might not be able to do it, but it can be done.

For the record, when I say someone can still be naturally bigger than Pacquiao, I'm not implying that he should be smaller in some extraordinary way. I'm simply saying that they have to drop more weight than he does.

[haverespect]

IMO Pacquiao looks a lot "softer" than I'm used to seeing him look at 126, 130 and 135.

In the lower weight classes he had better (muscle) definition than he does now.

Agreed he's nowhere near as ripped as he used to be. Compare him to your tim bradleys ect the definition and tone isn't even comparable ...bs thread there is no evidence of this.... he trains like a beast plain and simple until I see evidence stating otherwise. Surley if he was on these magic beans..... he would just get as big as he wants... He has catchweights because he is naturally the smaller man... juicing ha?... Does his physic even remotley resemble the musclebound athlete runners ect we see caught on nadralone and all these other banned substances?.... until there is some proper evidence and not the word from a family of jack-asses... im not convinced.

[trainhard_187]

From Diaz to De La Hoya. That six month leap tells the story.

So its the PEDs? I thought Oscar was weight drained?

Which is it?

Six month leap? Hmmm looks like Pac had his speed and power in the Diaz fight.. Its not like he miraculously obtained his speed and power after the Diaz fight..
Pacquiao fight night weight 147

0:02 into video Tale of the tape