Why a lot of people think Pac is juicing? Look inside ...

[Mr.0pal]

Put it like this... when I'm walking around at 245lbs I can bench 315 lbs 4 times. Once I trim down to 230 I'd be lucky to put it up once.

At 245 i can do 4 sets of 10 reps with 225lbs.
At 230 I won't make it to 10 on my 3rd set.

[pistol whip]

How do you win an argument who is too ****** to know he lost? I just realized why I confuse you with brick wall all the time.

More 4th grade cut downs that do nothing to actually justify your point. Again if someone refuts your opinions the proper thing to do is make a valid argument in favor of your point of view. Instead you resort to insults that well prove nothing.

[Buffalo]

I'm always disapointed to see threads like this. Hardly anyone was saying such things before the Mayweathers started it all up. That says it all.

He's been weighing above 140 in fight for bloody years now.

He trains like a beast, and has never failed a drugs test.
Get over it.

Having a baseball background, I just laugh at the naivete of that comment.

[Khalid X]

I'm always disapointed to see threads like this. Hardly anyone was saying such things before the Mayweathers started it all up. That says it all.

He's been weighing above 140 in fight for bloody years now.

He trains like a beast, and has never failed a drugs test.

Get over it.

I agree man.

The sad thing is that it's always the same posters.

I mean if you think he is on PEDs....cool, but why spam the board everyday (for the past year or so) with the same recycled b.s.?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'm always disapointed to see threads like this. Hardly anyone was saying such things before the Mayweathers started it all up. That says it all.

He's been weighing above 140 in fight for bloody years now.

He trains like a beast, and has never failed a drugs test.

Get over it.

After Sr. made his comments everything died down, this I remember because I was a much more active poster at the time. Everyone called Sr. a crack head and moved on. It was after Pacquiao and his camp couldn't come up with a legit excuse to refuse drug testing, it was when they continuously lied to the public. But now all of a sudden everyone wants to say Sr. caused all this. Lets say Sr. planted the seed, then wouldn't you say Pacquiao and his camp watered it?

[DoktorSleepless]

Not dis*****g that at all. Just saying he needs to do that yet his trainer claims he can't make 140 without starving. You can tell roach and arum are lying because their mouths are moving.

Pacquiao needs a ton of calories to keep up with his training. Just because he has to eats more calories than the average person, it doesn't mean he won't be starving. 3000 calories may be a lot of you, but it's very little for pacquiao.

[PacquiaoATG]

Put it like this... when I'm walking around at 245lbs I can bench 315 lbs 4 times. Once I trim down to 230 I'd be lucky to put it up once.

At 245 i can do 4 sets of 10 reps with 225lbs.
At 230 I won't make it to 10 on my 3rd set.

Oh really? Can you please explain this...



Pacquiao 16 years old - 106lbs
Floyd 16 years old - 106lbs

Pacquiao - 5'6 1/2
Floyd - 5'8

[Kris Silver]

I agree man.

The sad thing is that it's always the same posters.

I mean if you think he is on PEDs....cool, but why spam the board everyday (for the past year or so) with the same recycled b.s.?

I think sadly, some ppl are inclined to believe one way or the other regardless. Some, I say some, of the doubters/accusers seem to love to play the cynical, devils advocate like it makes them all intelligent.

Usually, it's just embarrassing.

I've read so much about Pac and drugs and nothing has much weight (pardon the pun) to credit quite the attention. This is the best fighter of the decade blowing up with attention. He's unfortunately had a drugs question mark attached to him by the #1 before him and his family, whom are renown nutjobs and heavily disrespectful, constantly trying to stain others to appear better. Some within the media and public just cannot fathom to think that's all it is. Hype.

It's sad, and a shame for the sport.

[Gutz]

In terms of weight gain, when you move up very fast the extra weight basically has to be fat. It takes much more time to add muscle. Manny added muscle.. not fat. At 145 on the scale he is ripped. When he gets into the ring at 148 he is ripped. To add 10 to 15 lbs of muscle in 6 months with all the endurance training he does is practically impossible without steroids.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has done at least two cycles of steroids to gain muscle. It is also possible that he takes steroids and/or HGH, and EPO during training camp similar to Shane's old PED stack. The steroids prevent you from losing muscle during the hard cardio (which would be enhanced by EPO). Once your camp is over you feel much stronger than you would if you were clean. If you were clean then you WOULD burn muscle, and when you burn muscle it is devastating to your power, stamina, and endurance.

LOL wtf.. you can add 10 pounds of muscle in 6 months clean..

you dont know **** about adding muscle..

[Doctor_Tenma]

I think sadly, some ppl are inclined to believe one way or the other regardless. Some, I say some, of the doubters/accusers seem to love to play the cynical, devils advocate like it makes them all intelligent.

Usually, it's just embarrassing.

I've read so much about Pac and drugs and nothing has much weight (pardon the pun) to credit quite the attention. This is the best fighter of the decade blowing up with attention, he's unfortunately had a drugs wonder attached to him by the #1 before him, and some within the media and public just cannot fathom to think that's all it is. Hype.

It's sad, and a shame for the sport.

All Floyd Sr.'s doing...

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.