Why a lot of people think Pac is juicing? Look inside ...

[IMDAZED]

see why i said u are a mayweather fan earlier???? either that or u just a pacquiao hater. which 1 is it?

Because I believe he's on steroids? Roy Jones is one of my favorite fighters. What now? Only an extremist thinks that dumb.

[Mr.0pal]

In terms of weight gain, when you move up very fast the extra weight basically has to be fat. It takes much more time to add muscle. Manny added muscle.. not fat. At 145 on the scale he is ripped. When he gets into the ring at 148 he is ripped. To add 10 to 15 lbs of muscle in 6 months with all the endurance training he does is practically impossible without steroids.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has done at least two cycles of steroids to gain muscle. It is also possible that he takes steroids and/or HGH, and EPO during training camp similar to Shane's old PED stack. The steroids prevent you from losing muscle during the hard cardio (which would be enhanced by EPO). Once your camp is over you feel much stronger than you would if you were clean. If you were clean then you WOULD burn muscle, and when you burn muscle it is devastating to your power, stamina, and endurance.

[Buffalo]

Yup I agree with you he looks a lot softer at welter and that might have something to do with the 7000 calories he has to eat just to maintain his weight.
I would of thought all these supposed PED's he's taking would help him with that but apperently he's taking the ones that make you look softer and do nothing to help you gain weight.

That's nonsense. So he needs 7000 calories to maintain 144 but he'll starve to make 140. To me it's the ridiculous comments that come from his camp. Such as freddie roach when he said he doesn't even know what steroids are. Sure freddie after toney and fortune I'm sure you didn't even look it up.

[IMDAZED]

You do know sarcastic comments really don't win the argument for you. They may make you fell better but yeah your points are still all flawed!

How do you win an argument who is too ****** to know he lost? I just realized why I confuse you with brick wall all the time.

[deepdarkdanger]

He refused a drug test which does seem really su****ious. If there's any boxer in the sport that epitomizes corruption and utter greed its pacquiao and his team. Earning millions off mythical "8th" division belts, draining champions, ducking drug tests, selling so called "competitive" fights to the gullible less informed public and the list goes on

Not one of his supporters can give a sound or logical explanation why pacquiao is refusing a drug test. Why did he refuse it the first time but wants a seven day cutoff now? why not go all the way? we've seen him prance and lie and run through every excuses on the book and quite frankly, it does display guilt and people do have the right to suspect his actions.

If he can spar bigger men, spar-middle weights and risk getting his ribs broken, why cant he clean up his name and just take the drug test. Really pathetic.

Look mate, you might be right about him. But its not fair to say there wasn't a logical reason. It was because by the laws of the game he didn't have to and therefore he saw it as a pretty unreasonable demand from Mayweather.....which it was.

[PacquiaoATG]

In terms of weight gain, when you move up very fast the extra weight basically has to be fat. It takes much more time to add muscle. Manny added muscle.. not fat. At 145 on the scale he is ripped. When he gets into the ring at 148 he is ripped. To add 10 to 15 lbs of muscle in 6 months with all the endurance training he does is practically impossible without steroids.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has done at least two cycles of steroids to gain muscle. It is also possible that he takes steroids and/or HGH, and EPO during training camp similar to Shane's old PED stack. The steroids prevent you from losing muscle during the hard cardio (which would be enhanced by EPO). Once your camp is over you feel much stronger than you would if you were clean. If you were clean then you WOULD burn muscle, and when you burn muscle it is devastating to your power, stamina, and endurance.

Poor excuses...

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427884

[pistol whip]

That's nonsense. So he needs 7000 calories to maintain 144 but he'll starve to make 140. To me it's the ridiculous comments that come from his camp. Such as freddie roach when he said he doesn't even know what steroids are. Sure freddie after toney and fortune I'm sure you didn't even look it up.

I don't know about the starving thing but I do know his large calorie intake was documented by HBO's 24/7 series.

[Buffalo]

In terms of weight gain, when you move up very fast the extra weight basically has to be fat. It takes much more time to add muscle. Manny added muscle.. not fat. At 145 on the scale he is ripped. When he gets into the ring at 148 he is ripped. To add 10 to 15 lbs of muscle in 6 months with all the endurance training he does is practically impossible without steroids.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has done at least two cycles of steroids to gain muscle. It is also possible that he takes steroids and/or HGH, and EPO during training camp similar to Shane's old PED stack. The steroids prevent you from losing muscle during the hard cardio (which would be enhanced by EPO). Once your camp is over you feel much stronger than you would if you were clean. If you were clean then you WOULD burn muscle, and when you burn muscle it is devastating to your power, stamina, and endurance.

That is exactly what I think he has done. Blood dope

[Kris Silver]

I'm always disapointed to see threads like this. Hardly anyone was saying such things before the Mayweathers started it all up. That says it all.

He's been weighing above 140 in fight for bloody years now.

He trains like a beast, and has never failed a drugs test.

Get over it.

[Buffalo]

I don't know about the starving thing but I do know his large calorie intake was documented by HBO's 24/7 series.

Not dis*****g that at all. Just saying he needs to do that yet his trainer claims he can't make 140 without starving. You can tell roach and arum are lying because their mouths are moving.