I have a question about JMMarquez and Morales

**paulf** · 01-04-2011, 03:18 PM

Guys that fight at lower weights have a shorter shelf life. They become what fighters call "punchy," which means they end up with a lessened equilibrium and their reflexes and speed deteriorate.

Marquez was a safety first fighter for the majority of his career and took a lot less damage than Morales. Morales was a first rate Mexican ****er who was simply in too many wars. If you want a classic example, youtube Jose Luis Castillo's fights with Chico Corrales, then looks at his fights against Ricky Hatton and Alfonso Gomez. Not at all the same fighter.

If you look at Marquez now, you'd say that, while he gets hit a lot less than Morales, he still gets into some brawls (Diaz I). This was simply not the way he fought most of his career, and is probably why he is still in such good condition at his age.

**paulf** · 01-04-2011, 03:29 PM

Compare these two first rounds. They're both coming forward and making use of distance, but their approach is night and day. Marquez is looking to counterpunch when Ganier makes a move, get his shots in if he sees an opening, and move out of harms way. Morales is going for the money shot to hurt Kelley in the very first round.

**the_ilest** · 01-04-2011, 03:32 PM

morales was in too many brawls if you ask me.

**Left Hook Tua** · 01-04-2011, 03:34 PM

probably has to do with the fact that marquez didn't fight anyone for like the 1st 10 years of his career.

**-MAKAVELLI-** · 01-04-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Left Hook Tua

probably has to do with the fact that marquez didn't fight anyone for like the 1st 10 years of his career.

and when he did, he was a safety-first counterpuncher

**SplitSecond** · 01-04-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by EngorgedW/Blood

Why is it that Morales is younger than Marquez and they each have the same amount of fights give or take one, they have their fair share of wars give or take one, they both are not defensive fighters so they take their hits.

So my question is what happened to Morales?

I mean you can say "Well Morales has as many fights as an old Marquez, see that already says a lot. He was ahead of his time."

But then how come "old" Marquez with as many fights as the younger Morales, still is as hard as they come? still a top P4P fighter? A champion, a Lineal/Ring champion at that? With as many fights as a shot/past prime Morales?

They aged better? How, lol they fight the same only Marquez has counterpunching skills. Morales been through more wars? Really, no he hasn't. Actually I have seen Marquez in more wars at an old age against top fighters than a young Morales[Pacquiao/Casamayor 2008, Diaz 2009 then took some punishment from Floyd, Katsidis 2009]. That's 4 wars in his mid-late 30s and is still a hard old man. And what I mean by young Morales is 24-27 to be fair to Marquez. Let's not add up Morales full career here, just a few years of comparison will do.

I'm not knocking Morales, I know he's been in a lot wars in the late 90s to mid 2000's but so did Marquez.

marquez only wins cuz of styles, all come foward newbs

**Pullcounter** · 01-04-2011, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Left Hook Tua

probably has to do with the fact that marquez didn't fight anyone for like the 1st 10 years of his career.

Originally posted by -MAKAVELLI-

and when he did, he was a safety-first counterpuncher

Originally posted by the_ilest

morales was in too many brawls if you ask me.

TS got pwned!

**jrosales13** · 01-04-2011, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by EngorgedW/Blood

Why is it that Morales is younger than Marquez and they each have the same amount of fights give or take one, they have their fair share of wars give or take one, they both are not defensive fighters so they take their hits.

So my question is what happened to Morales?

I mean you can say "Well Morales has as many fights as an old Marquez, see that already says a lot. He was ahead of his time."

But then how come "old" Marquez with as many fights as the younger Morales, still is as hard as they come? still a top P4P fighter? A champion, a Lineal/Ring champion at that? With as many fights as a shot/past prime Morales?

They aged better? How, lol they fight the same only Marquez has counterpunching skills. Morales been through more wars? Really, no he hasn't. Actually I have seen Marquez in more wars at an old age against top fighters than a young Morales[Pacquiao/Casamayor 2008, Diaz 2009 then took some punishment from Floyd, Katsidis 2009]. That's 4 wars in his mid-late 30s and is still a hard old man. And what I mean by young Morales is 24-27 to be fair to Marquez. Let's not add up Morales full career here, just a few years of comparison will do.

I'm not knocking Morales, I know he's been in a lot wars in the late 90s to mid 2000's but so did Marquez.

What do you mean? Why don't you consider JMM a defensive fighter in his prime? Was he a Floyd, Whitaker, Calderon type of fighter? No, but he was technician, safety first, counter puncher in his prime.

Later in his career when he started losing a step he became more of a fan friendly fighter.

But, in his forum days, he really didn't go to war with anybody. It was really rare, while Morales on the other hand could of had the same approach but for some reason he didn't like fighting that way, he always wanted to be exciting. Ex: the Pac fight. Was out boxing Pac nicely surprising people. Then for the last round what does he decide to do? Turn southpaw just to make it interesting. Dude is all action.

**jrosales13** · 01-04-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by tehMatrix

marquez only wins cuz of styles, all come foward newbs

Casamayor was a come forward noob?

What about Barrera?

His unification fight with Gainer?

Don't confuse his last 3 LW fights with JMM whole career.

He is a very skilled technician with a high boxing IQ that could very well adjust to almost any style.

I have a question about JMMarquez and Morales