Sugar Ray Leonard VS Mayweather,pick one plz

[Walt Liquor]

Travdog you speak the truth. The hate some of these posters have for Floyd has blinded them. If Floyd beat Margarito, Margarito wouldve definitely got the Baldo treatment. They would bring up Margs losses and his handwrap scandal in order to discredit Floyd. If FLoyd decisioned Cotto they would say he couldnt knock Cotto out the way PAc or Margarito did.

I agree Floyd hasnt fought anyone of a hearns or duran level but what fighter today is on a Hearns or Duran level? None. I think Pacquiao is the closest thing we have to a modern era atg and even if Floyd were to beat him people would say his resume doesnt match up to SRL. SRL openly stated he waited for Hagler to deteriorate and he did avoid Pryor but if Floyd does something similar hes vilified.
I believe some of the criticism Floyd gets is deserved but most of it is just blind hate. When it comes down this fight I believe it is about skills and who was the better pound for pound. To me this fight is a toss up since both fighters primes were at different weight classes.

there are plenty of better choices that floyd could have made, and the margarito copout is just that, a copout.

i personally think the only fight floyd fought about 140 that was the best guy for him at the time was shane, and i gave him props for that on here publicly, even though some do shi t on that win.

I never compalin about his money grab with oscar, who wouldn't take that fight? And he saw easy ;pickins with gatti to get a name. but floyd even knew gatti was going to be a piece of cake.


you are making shi t up about margs, every boxing writer in the world wanted floyd to fight margs and so did every real fan, we were all aware of what baldo was

[slicksouthpaw16]

I think it would take Robinson to beat Leonard on his best day, and even that wasn't guaranteed. The Leonard that fought Benitez was one of, if not the most skilled fighter i have ever seen.

[Champ Is Here]

so, sionce you're comparing leonard-hearns, show me the fight that indicates how floyd would fare vs srl.

benitez is closer to floyds d thAn anyone floyd ever fought compared to srl's overall game

Thats how Floyd would fight him like Hearns did

Benitez offensive game isn't even comparable. Benitez didnt jab and wouldnt counter punch. SRL was lunging in off-balance and didnt pay for it

IN fact the fighters aren't even comparable so I have no idea where his name came from

[Johnwoo8686]

there are plenty of better choices that floyd could have made, and the margarito copout is just that, a copout.

i personally think the only fight floyd fought about 140 that was the best guy for him at the time was shane, and i gave him props for that on here publicly, even though some do shi t on that win.

I never compalin about his money grab with oscar, who wouldn't take that fight? And he saw easy ;pickins with gatti to get a name. but floyd even knew gatti was going to be a piece of cake.


you are making shi t up about margs, every boxing writer in the world wanted floyd to fight margs and so did every real fan, we were all aware of what baldo was

I dont know why people bring up Margaritos name as if they completely forget this guy was cheating. In hindsight there is absolutely no benefit in fighting Margarito because there will forever be a shadow of doubt on every win the man has had. At 147 there are only two guys I think Floyd shouldve fought and they are Cotto and Pac. But even with a win over those guys Cotto and Pac are no Hearns and Duran.

The talent in boxing as a whole is not what it was 20 to 25 years ago so we cant blame Floyd for not fighting guys like Hearns Hagler and Duran because there is NO ONE at welterweight that comes close to being the contemporary version of those guys. I do believe Pac is close however.

[Ido]

SRL was the more complete of the two. Just as fast, talented, stronger, bigger, and with the stamina to go 15 rounds... he should UD Floyd if not a late stoppage.

[WILL2WIN]

HUH? I know i said before that just becuz i don't like Floyds persona or attitude i don't discredit his skills and hardwork as a prize-fighter.I would say though that Manny has also let me down as a fan by not making this fight happen,it's not just Floyds fault about this mega-fight not happening!

But THIS was about Sugar Ray VS Mayweather Jr @ WW in a 15 round championship fight,i realise they primed at different weights but they have both fought at this class and since this is a fantasy fight,it's all wut ifs aint it? I wanted peoples opinions on who would win and to see if there were actually people who would favor Mayweather in this fight? You can call me wutever u want,i been a fan of boxing since when it came on t.v. in the 80's and i sat in amazement as a kid.I'm not biased,sure i have guys whose personalities i like more and fighters i root for,but this isn't to do with that. I just feel at this weight Ray is superior and i guess i was secretly hoping aswell that i could put the fantasy undefeated record of Money May down for the count! LOL

[Travdog]

and that's where there's no comparison.

when did anyone (specifically me) not give credit for corrales???????

everyone fights some that are considered stiffs. duh, but floyd doesn't sprinkle the real challenges among those stiffs. I can't believe you seem intelligent but you are arguing that floyd has fought competition even close to leonard's level.

there's nothing special about floyd's level of comp, he has many contemporaries that fought MUCH tougher comp than he did.

ps, a faded hagler at 160>anyone floyd ever faced, yes even corrales, ans especially > anyone floyd ever faced over 135.

you are grasping for someone to kiss floyd's ass. it's not gonna happen, he's a hall of famer and an incredibly gifted boxer but he will never capture people's imagination the way people like chavez, sweet pea, hearns, hagler, oscar, tito, etc did because fighters like floyd don't fight like that anymore.

the floyd/roy jones school of challenge avoidance has a select few members. and you follow that school. i don't. i'd rather my favorite fighters not need excuses for their resumes. and if SRL has a disputed duck or two, i'd gladly exchange that for the fights he did have. same with a shane mosley or miguel cotto

and your first paragraph goes without saying, but what makes a fighter's heart extroadinary is going through real wars, like morales-barrera 1-3, srl v hearns, pac-barrera, jmm in jmm-pac 1- defining moments. floyd doesn't want that defininng moment, so it has to be corrales or, maybe a judah win? or maybe...oh well. it's such a freakin letdown trying to find his defnining moment. if it's corrales, that's pretty sad considering it was almost a decade ago.

Okay so you're not making sense...so what are you saying a victory over Margarito would have been equivalent to any of Sugar Ray's big wins? NO!!! So like I said there is nothing Floyd could have done to compare to Sugar Ray in your book. That's essentially my point.

You speak about the wars that fighters must go through, however what happens to the boxer that is so good that he doesn't get into a war.

Surely you've seen Floyd go toe to toe with Augustus, Chavez, N'Dou etc...But of course those fights don't matter because they were not all time greats

[BennyST]

Mayweather always finds a way to win.

May UD.

Errr, yeah ok. He always finds a way to win against Gatti, Judah, Corley, Mosley.....

Ray Leonard always found a way to win against prime top ten ATG Duran, prime undefeated Benitez, prime top twenty ATG undefeated Hearns and Undisputed middleweight great Hagler after a six year layoff when Hagler hadn't been beaten in a decade of dominance (and after a one and a half year lay off people thought Marquez was a good tune up).

The win over an unbeaten Kalule is better than most of Floyd's wins.

Leonard has always found the way to win against opposition that makes what Floyd did genuinely laughable.

Leonard wins a UD. Too fast, too big, too strong, too quick, too determined.

[BennyST]

Thats how Floyd would fight him like Hearns did

Benitez offensive game isn't even comparable. Benitez didnt jab and wouldnt counter punch. SRL was lunging in off-balance and didnt pay for it

IN fact the fighters aren't even comparable so I have no idea where his name came from

Oh my dear god.....did you just say that Floyd would fight Leonard like Hearns did?

Ok....

Ummmm.....

Right......

I see.....

So......

Well, I'll start here. Is Floyd 6'1" with an 80" reach? No.

Does he have the jab of Hearns? No.

Does he have the power to hurt Leonard like Hearns with every left hook, right hand and even a jab to bust up Leonard's face? No.

When Leonard attacks would he have the necessary strength and power to throw back and hurt Leonard and stop him from coming in? No.

Does Floyd have the height, power, reach to not only outbox Leonard but outfight him for the most of the fight? No.

Does he have a similar ability to actually outbox Leonard at all because of his speed, jab and height? No.

Could he fight Leonard by outboxing him or power punching with him when needed? No.

Does he have the ability to fight out of his comfort zone when his defensive posture isn't working? No.

Does he do anything even remotely similar to Hearns or have anything remotely resembling Hearns gifts of power, skill, speed, height, and reach? No.

If you really just compared Hearns to Floyd and the way they would fight the same you seriously need a major ****ing brain overhaul.

Also, did you just say that Benitez doesn't or wouldn't counter punch and that his offensive game is comparable? Argh.....Who is this guy?

[handwraps]

[QUOTE=WILL2WIN;9903505]I'm gonna say Ray for these obvious reasons 1) Even faster hands and feet than Floyd 2) Naturally the bigger man 3) Ray has fought guys like Benitez,Hagler,Hearns and even Duran twice lol do you think Floyd could handle a prime Duran when he's been wobbled early by the likes of Judah and Mosley haha yeah right!

Please post your thoughts,thanks![/QUOTE
leonard hands down