Who you got- Adamek vs Haye

[Eaner0919]

haye hasn't fought anyone with adamek's tight ass technique and good pop in both hands.

adamek took arreola's bombs and kept coming.

then again, like piggy said, adamek hasn't faced as big a punch as haye.

i don't think either gets ko'd.

i thought the ruiz win was a good win for haye, but it wasn't better than the arreola win for adamek.

several people told me Jawny was absolutely spent during training and having issues with sparring

[paulf]

As opposed to an actual old caveman with two bums knees and shoulder, probably in his last fight, making Diva run from him the entire 12 rounds. Diva broke the record that night - least amount of punches thrown by a HW in a 12 round championship fight.

Yes, and Haye wobbled his (much bigger) caveman. Not the other way around.

[WladIsTheChamp]

As much as I like Adamek, I got to go with Haye. A slow old caveman like Michael Grant almost knocked Adamek out in the 12th last year. Another round and it would have been all over for Tomasz.

I am more than impressed with his courage and the work he's put in to become a heavyweight contender, but I just don't see how Haye's speed, sharpness, and power wouldn't lead to him knocking Tomasz out.

He needs a more fights at HW and needs to grow stronger. And he better forget fighting one of the Klitschkos. I mean, I'd watch it, but he isn't ready. At least not yet.

Just rewatched these last 2.5 rounds again, you are blind dude. Adamek was not close to being knocked out by Grant, he just decided to come one strong in the 12th and trade with much bigger Grant, that's the warrior in Adamek, but he didn't get hit with anything that he couldn't recover from if there was another round, plus if there was another round, Adamek wouldn't have fought like that, see the first 1.5 rounds of your own clip. Now Diva on the other hand, wasn't the aggressor at all and unlike Adamek, ran like a clawing chicken against a crippled Valuev.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Yes, and Haye wobbled his (much bigger) caveman. Not the other way around.

If Diva actually tried to be the aggressor instead of running and getting a gift decision, he would have gotten hit and he knew that. Instead he chose to throw six punches a round, but that's still six punches more than his 2nd round against Fraudley. Diva is way too inactive to win against Adamek.

[Gojira]

As opposed to an actual old caveman with two bums knees and shoulder, probably in his last fight, making Diva run from him the entire 12 rounds. Diva broke the record that night - least amount of punches thrown by a HW in a 12 round championship fight.

The difference is that Valuev was the champion while Grant was just a faded journeyman. It goes to show how bad the heavyweight division is when you have a current contender almost getting knocked out against a guy who was a contender 12 years ago.

[WladIsTheChamp]

The difference is that Valuev was the champion while Grant was just a faded journeyman. It goes to show how bad the heavyweight division is when you have a current contender almost getting knocked out against a guy who was a contender 12 years ago.

Oh, I don't know about that, seems to me there were much worse eras if that's how you are going about this. I heard of a LHW in his 8th fight beating the recognized HW champ, have you heard about that?

Oh and actually Valuev was not the champion, Chagaev was.

[Walt Liquor]

several people told me Jawny was absolutely spent during training and having issues with sparring

probably beause he's OLD! dude has a lot of mileage.

[nomadman]

Due to their styles, attributes and backgrounds, this is quite a pick'em fight. Haye has the speed and the power, Adamek has the smarts and the cheen. Both are roughly the same size as each other and have had roughly the same sort of run at heavyweight. Yeah, Haye won a belt, but Adamek's win over Arreola just trumps that in my opinion as regards the actual quality of the opponent. They've both shown vulnerabilities in their last few fights, and both have also showed they have the ability to knock their opponents out. Both have also shown the ability to turn a fight around after getting hurt; Haye got up from a KD against Mormeck to KO him, Adamek suffered a near 4th round knockout against Cunningham but turned things around. So they both have heart as well. Now for the breakdown:

Haye's speed and power at heavyweight is unquestionable. His ability to hurt legit heavyweights with one or two shots was shown in the Barrett, Ruiz and Valuev fights, and against Valuev he showed a pretty good sense of timing in landing his shots, as well as excellent accuracy. He's not the hardest puncher in the division (Wlad holds that distinction IMO) but he has more than enough to seriously hurt and stop Adamek, who's showed he can be wobbled in the past. Cunningham did it, Briggs did it, Banks did it, Arreola did it, Grant did it. Sure, Adamek managed to weather all those storms and come back to win, but Haye is an excellent finisher and I have a hard time seeing Adamek take flush shots from him and not go down for the count. Stick with Adamek long enough and sooner or later he'll give you openings. And Haye has more than enough speed of hand and eye to exploit them.

On the other hand Haye's cheen and stamina issues are well known, and he's very hittable when put on the backfoot. He also has a tendency to blow his load on all-out offensive combos then take long stretches off where he does nothing. Adamek's a much more consistent fighter with a much better workrate, and whilst he's not as fast as Haye, he's not slow, and his compact technique, good timing and in out movement can allow him to catch Haye. He also also has the power to hurt Haye, and the killer instinct to make it count. So this fight really comes down to who can land that shot first.

If Adamek can establish his jab and get Haye retreating with smart careful pressure then I can see him eventually catching Haye with something, probably an overhand right, at some point in the mid rounds. If Haye hangs back then tries to explode in at Adamek and catch him unawares then he can KO him. But he also faces the possibility of leaving himself wide open for a counter shot. Adamek isn't an amazing counter fighter though, so I think he can afford to make a few mistakes. One final thing to bear in mind is that both fighters will be aware of the other's strengths, so may fight out of character in an effort to nullify them. Very intriguing fight, and one that I hope gets made, not that I hold out much hope though...



BTW, Haye needs to ditch the corn rows and go back to the afro look. That was badass.

[Rick Grimes]

Oh, I don't know about that, seems to me there were much worse eras if that's how you are going about this. I heard of a LHW in his 8th fight beating the recognized HW champ, have you heard about that?

Oh and actually Valuev was not the champion, Chagaev was.

and Vitali beat Lewis. We all know how Klitschko fans try to change facts.

[teddycanyon]

Haye has the speed to outbox Adamek and the power to make him respect him. Adamek is slow-footed and has only looked good against heavyweights slower than him. I see it going similarly to Adamek-Dawson, the only blemish on Adamek's record so far.