ONE good Reason why Haye/Wlad will beat Haye/Wlad

[Boxing Scene]

Haye will beat Wlad because:

Hes faster and speed kills (yada yada yada), Wlad won't see those crisp fast punches coming
Haye will be running so Wlad will be chasing and will have to reset alot
Haye will take Wlad into deep waters IMO and Wlad has never coped well when pressured (Peter should've KO'd him, but got carried away).
Haye will hit harder than Wlad expects
Wlad is thinking this will be an easy fight
Haye looks hungry and really motivated right now, he has that Carl Froch aura about him that he may have a suspect chin, but he will let the rest of his assets make up for being chinny
Haye is years ahead of Chambers, Ibragimov, Peter, Chagaev and anyone else Wlad has faced to date


Wlad won't beat Haye, hit me up if you want to bet.

Let me respond to each of your claims.

Speed Kills? Wlad is fast and punches with speed and power in both hands.

No one takes Wlad into deep waters. He's never come close to losing a decision, ever. Not ever come close to being outboxed. Peter never came close to KO'ing Wlad. The guy was never seriously hurt in the Peter fight.

Haye looks hungry right now? Are you kidding me? The guy just fought Harrison. That is not the sign of someone who wants to fight the best in the division.

Haye is years above who? Pardon me, Haye doesn't have nearly the resume of ANY of those fighters you mentioned.

I respect your opinion but alot of those facts are simply not true.

[WladIsTheChamp]

your a wlad fan, come on, i wanna see more indepth posts from you, why wlad will catch haye, or outbox haye

dont simply say : because wlad has more experience or because wlad has a better trainer(like hitman)

im not saying im right, it's my opinion, i could be wrong, but i could also be right, if you could share your veiw better, maybe you could change my mind(which i have done on occassion)

I and dozens of posters have analyzed this fight to death many times before. Here is how the fight will go IMO: Haye comes out cautious and gun blazing like he claims or like some of his fans claim. Look at his most recent fights to see how he handles himself against taller and bigger fighters.

Haye is a natural counter-puncher and waits for an opening, even Jim Dwyer agrees with that one. He is not going to try to blaze Wlad ala Sanders. This will play to Wlad's strengths such as the longer reach and much better jab and more activity than Haye, much more activity. Haye will run from the opening bell and loose rounds and Wlad will be as cautious as he was with Ibragimov.

Then the rain of boos will start coming from the crowd around the 5th, much like the Valuev and Ibragimov fights, especially if the fight is not in Germany. Haye will be down on all the scorecards by this time. Wlad will methodically pump that left jab into Haye's face and discourage any kind of attack from Haye, it will also stun Haye on several occasions, keeping him off balance and swell-up his eye(s) possibly.

After the 6th is when it starts to get dangerous for Haye because 1) Wlad is a lot more focused in the latter rounds than his opponents since he has more experience and in the case of Haye, he will have twice the amount of experience that Haye has 2) Haye's stamina is a lot worse than Wlad's and as anyone who has sparred at all, it takes a lot of energy to anticipate a punch and hold your hands up even without punching, so Haye will start to get tired.

So the additional focus advantage from Wlad and fatigue of Haye will mean that he will start making mistakes and Wlad will get bolder. He will still work off the jab and prevent Haye from seeing any other punch just like in the Byrd II fight, that's when he will follow up with a fight ending KO/TKO. I don't know which punch will end it because it could be a right cross like Calvin Brock or a lunging left-hook like Chambers. If Haye attempts to engage him at last, like Brock did, it will be a righ cross. If Haye is backing away like Chambers, Wlad will get him with the left-hook because Wlad doesn't use the right when over-extending himself.

This fight will not go the distance but it's hard to tell whether Haye will last into the 12th like Chambers or 10th like Peter, or will Wlad end in the 6th (I believe) like Brock.

Haye has no chance to win a decision and I don't think he will be lucky or ballsy enough to land that one shot on Wladimir.

[Reggie Miller]

50 mil on Wlad

Confirmed for 50M.

Let me respond to each of your claims.

Speed Kills? Wlad is fast and punches with speed and power in both hands.

No one takes Wlad into deep waters. He's never come close to losing a decision, ever. Not ever come close to being outboxed. Peter never came close to KO'ing Wlad. The guy was never seriously hurt in the Peter fight.

Haye looks hungry right now? Are you kidding me? The guy just fought Harrison. That is not the sign of someone who wants to fight the best in the division.

Haye is years above who? Pardon me, Haye doesn't have nearly the resume of ANY of those fighters you mentioned.

I respect your opinion but alot of those facts are simply not true.

Wlad is fast? He uses the Grab B Jab technique and you can see his right hand coming a mile away.

When I say deep waters I mean Haye will take Wlad to that uncomfortable place, Wlad has had all his fights of late go all his way, Haye will change that. I never said Haye will outbox Wlad, only way Haye wins IMO is by KO.

Haye is more skilled than anyone Wlad has fought, hes not some top ten contender, hes an accomplished fighter who was undisputed CW king until he moved to heavy (I wait for "Haye ducked Cunningham", but Adamek knocked down Cunningham, Haye would've murdered him).

I respect your opinion too, just stating how I feel about things.. I'm far from a Haye fan.. I just think he beats Wlad, but he has to end the fight early.. he has stamina and concentration issues past RD7.

At least you didn't Red K like Tunney is doing with all his alts.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Confirmed for 50M.



Wlad is fast? He uses the Grab B Jab technique and you can see his right hand coming a mile away.

When I say deep waters I mean Haye will take Wlad to that uncomfortable place, Wlad has had all his fights of late go all his way, Haye will change that. I never said Haye will outbox Wlad, only way Haye wins IMO is by KO.

Haye is more skilled than anyone Wlad has fought, hes not some top ten contender, hes an accomplished fighter who was undisputed CW king until he moved to heavy (I wait for "Haye ducked Cunningham", but Adamek knocked down Cunningham, Haye would've murdered him).

I respect your opinion too, just stating how I feel about things.. I'm far from a Haye fan.. I just think he beats Wlad, but he has to end the fight early.. he has stamina and concentration issues past RD7.

At least you didn't Red K like Tunney is doing with all his alts.

Wlad is much faster than he appears on tv, all his opponents say that. Fast slick fighters like Byrd don't even see his punches coming.

LOL at "Haye is more skilled than anyone Wlad has fought, hes not some top ten contender, hes an accomplished fighter who was undisputed CW king". Have you looked at Wlad's comp recently? It's littered with undefeated world champs and ring top 5 guys who were also Olympic gold and silver medalists and whose accomplishments at amateur eclipse that of Diva's accomplishments at amateur - Chagaev and Ibragimov are a lot more skilled than Diva. You show your ignorance with that comment, seriously, look up Wlad's record in the last 5 years and count how many world champs he fought, how many undefeated guys he fought, and how many of those guys were Ring Top 10. Diva on the other hand picks on old men relative to himself, he has yet to fight a HW under 36 and less than 8 years older than himself, Wlad fights younger men all the time. See the difference?

[Bigchill79]

Haye wins cause Wlad isnt going to be able to hold and spoil.... Haye will be gone.

[Boxing Scene]

The main reason Haye will lose is because he fights top 25 type boxers, not #1 undisputed champions.

Resume:

Barrett
Ruiz
Valuev
Harrison

None of those guys are world class boxers. He ran from Valuev for 12 rounds and barely won. Ruiz hit him at will but was pretty much too shot to do anything. Barrett dropped and hurt him. And Harrison? Most people think it was fixed.

Haye will lose this fight before he even gets in the ring, and getting in the ring is his foremost problem. He won't do it.

[SplitSecond]

I and dozens of posters have analyzed this fight to death many times before. Here is how the fight will go IMO: Haye comes out cautious and gun blazing like he claims or like some of his fans claim. Look at his most recent fights to see how he handles himself against taller and bigger fighters.

Haye is a natural counter-puncher and waits for an opening, even Jim Dwyer agrees with that one. He is not going to try to blaze Wlad ala Sanders. This will play to Wlad's strengths such as the longer reach and much better jab and more activity than Haye, much more activity. Haye will run from the opening bell and loose rounds and Wlad will be as cautious as he was with Ibragimov.

Then the rain of boos will start coming from the crowd around the 5th, much like the Valuev and Ibragimov fights, especially if the fight is not in Germany. Haye will be down on all the scorecards by this time. Wlad will methodically pump that left jab into Haye's face and discourage any kind of attack from Haye, it will also stun Haye on several occasions, keeping him off balance and swell-up his eye(s) possibly.

After the 6th is when it starts to get dangerous for Haye because 1) Wlad is a lot more focused in the latter rounds than his opponents since he has more experience and in the case of Haye, he will have twice the amount of experience that Haye has 2) Haye's stamina is a lot worse than Wlad's and as anyone who has sparred at all, it takes a lot of energy to anticipate a punch and hold your hands up even without punching, so Haye will start to get tired.

So the additional focus advantage from Wlad and fatigue of Haye will mean that he will start making mistakes and Wlad will get bolder. He will still work off the jab and prevent Haye from seeing any other punch just like in the Byrd II fight, that's when he will follow up with a fight ending KO/TKO. I don't know which punch will end it because it could be a right cross like Calvin Brock or a lunging left-hook like Chambers. If Haye attempts to engage him at last, like Brock did, it will be a righ cross. If Haye is backing away like Chambers, Wlad will get him with the left-hook because Wlad doesn't use the right when over-extending himself.

This fight will not go the distance but it's hard to tell whether Haye will last into the 12th like Chambers or 10th like Peter, or will Wlad end in the 6th (I believe) like Brock.

Haye has no chance to win a decision and I don't think he will be lucky or ballsy enough to land that one shot on Wladimir.

hmmm, so you're basically hanging on the hope that haye doesn't throw punches? you make it seem as tho because haye is a counter-puncher he wont throw punches because of wlads height and reach(as i've said before, seems to be what wlad's fans think will win him the fight). have you thought about the scenerio of what happens when haye does throw? how does wlad avoid the counter-punches?

and you forgot to mention how wlads left hand is always low

[Bigchill79]

hmmm, so you're basically hanging on the hope that haye doesn't throw punches? have you thought about the scenerio of what happens when he does? how does wlad avoid the counter-punches?

and you forgot to mention how wlads left hand is always low

Nice post. and Wlad will be surprised just how slow he is V Haye. it'll take him out of his typical jab-grab technique early

[sunny31]

Wlad is much faster than he appears on tv, all his opponents say that. Fast slick fighters like Byrd don't even see his punches coming.

LOL at "Haye is more skilled than anyone Wlad has fought, hes not some top ten contender, hes an accomplished fighter who was undisputed CW king". Have you looked at Wlad's comp recently? It's littered with undefeated world champs and ring top 5 guys who were also Olympic gold and silver medalists and whose accomplishments at amateur eclipse that of Diva's accomplishments at amateur - Chagaev and Ibragimov are a lot more skilled than Diva. You show your ignorance with that comment, seriously, look up Wlad's record in the last 5 years and count how many world champs he fought, how many undefeated guys he fought, and how many of those guys were Ring Top 10. Diva on the other hand picks on old men relative to himself, he has yet to fight a HW under 36 and less than 8 years older than himself, Wlad fights younger men all the time. See the difference?

You klitschko fans really are living in a dream world, How many world champs? Top 10 ring fighters? Dude in this climate that means jack ****...and don't give me the argument that klits make them look bad, anyone worth a damn and has been around boxing can see that most of these guys are average, in fact that is doing them a favour, they are below average. Eddie chambers all these guys are bums, your argument is based on these guys doing well in the amateurs, winning olympic medals etc. But what makes you think the heavyweight scene has been any better at amateur level? Fact is it hasn't, in the late 80's-90's guys like lennox lewis, and rid**** bowe were competing at that level, since the 2000's guys like Audley Harrison and dimitrenko have won gold, that says everything you need to know about the state of the heavyweight division amateur and pro in the last 5-10 years.

The problem with kiltschko fans like yourself is that your completely deluded and have lost any sense of reality. Its a shame there is no competition out there for the klitschko's...it really is a shame because they deserve better, they are very good champions who deserve the chance to test themselves against world class heavyweights, but no matter what you say they will be remembered as the best of a bad bunch (Vitali is different he has proved he can compete with the best even if lennox was past his best). Unfortunately Wlad's legacy is dependent on him beating a world class cruiserweight. For his legacy sake he better hope he wins.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Let me respond to each of your claims.

Speed Kills? Wlad is fast and punches with speed and power in both hands.

No one takes Wlad into deep waters. He's never come close to losing a decision, ever. Not ever come close to being outboxed. Peter never came close to KO'ing Wlad. The guy was never seriously hurt in the Peter fight.

Haye looks hungry right now? Are you kidding me? The guy just fought Harrison. That is not the sign of someone who wants to fight the best in the division.

Haye is years above who? Pardon me, Haye doesn't have nearly the resume of ANY of those fighters you mentioned.

I respect your opinion but alot of those facts are simply not true.

Wlad is not fast, where did you get that?