***wladimir klitschko's long, hard, stiff, accurate, penetrating jab***

[Russian Crushin]

I'm only comparing them to ATG's because of how this thread started out.

But how can you say the Klits performence is not good because they are not doing it to ATG

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Yes, make excuses for a prime Clay, just like most make excuses for a Prime Tyson and the Buster Douglas loss and everything else.

But if I made an excuse for Wlad's ko losses, oh no.......can't be. He lost to bums, therefore he is inferior forever and ever to the past great heavyweights who fought nothing but other All-time greats with Super human abilities (Yeah Right). The thing is, Brewster is not even a bum. Pretty decent ****er with a good punch, great fight vs Lyakovich. Corrie Sanders while out of shape has great punching power. But nevermind all that.

@ that logic.

You have nothing to say about the Cooper fight, huh? You probably never even seen it. I tried to show you respect and describe my points, but you wan't to act like an ass hole. I'm done being Mr nice guy with you. you are an idiot because you argue what you don't understand. You don't know your history like I do, therefor you're not qualified to argue what you are arguing. Until you see the big picture, you will be clueless where the Klitschko's stand in history and how good they really are. Come back when you have more experience under your belt, son.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

But how can you say the Klits performence is not good because they are not doing it to ATG

Because it was said Wlad would beat Ali, but judging by how well he's done against everyone he's fought, he doesn't stand a chance. When you argue my points, you are saying Wlad does in fact beat Ali. Is that what you are saying? If not, what are you arguing with me about?

[Russian Crushin]

Because it was said Wlad would beat Ali, but judging by how well he's done against everyone he's fought, he doesn't stand a chance. When you argue my points, you are saying Wlad does in fact beat Ali. Is that what you are saying? If not, what are you arguing with me about?

What do you consider a good performence?

I mean not losing a round in years and KOing just about everyone is garbage?

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

So explain to me how winning every round and KOing your opponent at the end is not impressive.

Who says you have to KO them in round 1 to be impressive but completely outboxing them and KOing them isnt

Thats just complete hate

Its not impressive enough, that's my point. Its impressive but not impressive enough to turn around and start calling them all time greats and saying they'd beat everyone in history. That shhhhit is ridiculous.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

What do you consider a good performence?

I mean not losing a round in years and KOing just about everyone is garbage?

Read my last reply, and thats your answer.

[Russian Crushin]

Its not impressive enough, that's my point. Its impressive but not impressive enough to turn around and start calling them all time greats and saying they'd beat everyone in history. That shhhhit is ridiculous.

So what kind of win would be impressive?

The kind where they just start swinging wildly completely trying to KO everybody in the 1st round and not follow their styles?

[Russian Crushin]

Read my last reply, and thats your answer.

You still wont answer my question of what is an impressive win

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

So what kind of win would be impressive?

The kind where they just start swinging wildly completely trying to KO everybody in the 1st round and not follow their styles?

Its more how they look doing it rather than the end result. Just because they dominate bums, doesn't mean they are great. Just because Joe Louis knocked out a bum a month wasn't what made him great to historians. Any good fighter can beat a bum. If there are only bums to make comparisons how good you are, then how you look in doing it is what counts. They look slow and awkward. They win a lot of fights on hight and reach advantage, you can't denie that doesn't help them out tremendously. Vitali has a decent chin but Wlad has shown he has a weak chin. In order to be a great fighter, you must have a decent chin or else you will be KO'd sooner or later. Lucky for Wlad everyone is a bum and he's way taller than everyone. Not hating, just telling it how it is.

[Russian Crushin]

Its more how they look doing it rather than the end result. Just because they dominate bums, doesn't mean they are great. Just because Joe Louis knocked out a bum a month wasn't what made him great to historians. Any good fighter can beat a bum. If there are only bums to make comparisons how good you are, then how you look in doing it is what counts. They look slow and awkward. They win a lot of fights on hight and reach advantage, you can't denie that doesn't help them out tremendously. Vitali has a decent chin but Wlad has shown he has a weak chin. In order to be a great fighter, you must have a decent chin or else you will be KO'd sooner or later. Lucky for Wlad everyone is a bum and he's way taller than everyone. Not hating, just telling it how it is.

Basically they cant be considered greats because the fighters in their division werent ATG at the time

And the bold is complete bull

And yes you are a hater