***wladimir klitschko's long, hard, stiff, accurate, penetrating jab***

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Why are you bringing up the cooper fight now, shifting the goal post to distract from the fact that you're making it seem that it's ok to make excuses for Clay/Ali for bad performances, yet it's ok to hold any bad performance against the Klitschko's.

And the whole Crackhead Floyd Mayweather act of You don't know **** about boxing and I do is idiotic, you're the idiot, not me my ****y little friend.

Because some idiot brought up Clay going down. Pay attention.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

You talk about Wlad fighting bums and never having fought a prime Tyson, Ali yet you're ignoring the fact that neither one of them fought anything close to a Wlad or Vitali - a complete package of 6'7 with a great jab.

What good is that great jab and reach advantage against Tyson's power and high output which would certainly tire a fighter like Wlad within 6 rounds? Tyson beat's these guys on paper all the way. Wlad has been KO'd by lesser fighters, and Vitali quite when the going got tough. And we won't count the Lewis fight because according to you Klit fans, he wasn't having a hard time in there.

You talk about them not being able to handle pressure of a Tyson, yet ignore the fact that if Bully Iron Mike isn't able to intimidate a fighter and get him out within the first half of the fight, he too fades....but again that doesn't count because he was already past his prime point in 1990 vs Douglas.

That whole bully thing was complete nonsense. Haters made that crap up because it sounds good. There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example. Wlad doesn't have the balls to beat a Tyson, another reason out of many why he loses, and you know it. Look how scared he fought Sultan Ibrogumav (SP?). You are being owned seriously in this thread.

In conclusion, you're historically biased and have this ideological idea that the past fighters have something that todays fighters don't, which is not true.

It has nothing to do with todays fighters being any less. I agree the training, nutritional information, and dietary suppliments make a person a better athlete these days compared to if they were around 20 years ago. Even with all that Wlad and Vitali are not the greatest in history. You've shown you don't know your history, therefor you are not qualified to argue have well the Klits would have done or accuse me of being historically biased. Just STFU son and come back when you've educated your self on the history of the HW division.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I am sorry, but Frazier's 5foot9 ass would not have a prayer against either Klitschko. Not to take anything from him, as I think he would beat any current cruiserweight bar few, but with heavies? It's a different story. Frazier's main weapon is the one punch its practically impossible to hit Wlad with, left hook is what wlad would always see. Right overhands are also incredibly hard to land on him. His only real hole for a counter punch is for a pin point straight left. And if you noticed for the last 4 years or so Wlad is practically untouchable in the center of the ring, his real safety off zones are when he is near the ropes or his opponent is near the ropes, as Wlad sometimes hangs in the air after he throws the right hand.

Normally the bigger you get the more advantages you have. This is why Pac would never fight Martinez. In the HW division, you can only get so big before you start to lose speed, coordination, and stamina. The Klit brothers are at that point where a very good smaller fighter can beat them based on their disadvantages. But so far, they have faced very few good fighters that had the stuff to beat them and none of them were on the level of a Joe Frazier.

[klit_power]

There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example.

wtf???
berbick was ****ting himself against mike

[cupocity303]

What good is that great jab and reach advantage against Tyson's power and high output which would certainly tire a fighter like Wlad within 6 rounds? Tyson beat's these guys on paper all the way. Wlad has been KO'd by lesser fighters,

So has Tyson. Moot point.

That whole bully thing was complete nonsense. Haters made that crap up because it sounds good. There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example. Wlad doesn't have the balls to beat a Tyson, another reason out of many why he loses, and you know it. Look how scared he fought Sultan Ibrogumav (SP?). You are being owned seriously in this thread.

Self-Proclaiming ownage over somebody in a debate is childish and weak.

The reason Wlad fought Sultan the way he did was because that's his style, and Ibragimov just hung in there to the end unlike others. So credit to him, not a knock on Wlad.

He Ko'd Samuel Peter and Eddie Chambers, two guys who are almost KO proof.

As far as the rest of your post, more rinse and repeat nonsense. Mike Tyson is more of a front runner and fades quicker than either Klitschko. His best prime days were in the early 80's when he fought scrubs and pushovers, so that isn't telling us much.

Wlad Klitschko >>> Trevor Berbick & Michael Spinks which are Mikes two best wins, not counting the victory over Fat, out of shape Larry Holmes.

[bigsteinway]

Should of wrote no **** after that title