Comments Thread For: Arum: Marquez's Demands Offended Pacquiao, Killed Fight

[sapaw]

Who's to say after legitimate negotiating, JMM wouldn't be getting what he got against Mayweather? Also, Pac's not as big a draw as Mayweather. So in JMM's defense, he's not up against the same caliber of star he was with Money. So he might think he's entitled to a little more. Butl ike I said, if they would have realisticly wanted this fight to happen, I'm sure JMM would have come off the initial offer.

on JMM last fight, Im sure Floyd is much bigger draw on JMM's opponent.. Did JMM asked for 5M?

We all know if Pac - JMM fight, its Pac that will do the much work on PVV... let us put this way, let GBP promote this Pac - JMM and Pac will ask 20M guaranteed plus PPV... Do you think GBP will agree to this knowing their fighter cant generate average PPV? This is also the reason why GBP is giving the promotion only to TR coz they know Marquez is a bum on PPV...

[dondonatello]

Pacquaio's not "the draw" with Mayweather. Money's PPV numbers are consistantly better. So what gives Pac the right to propose or refuse anything with Money? According to your logic, if Pac really wanted the Mayweather fight, he'd accept whatever Money wants just in order to get it on.

Only two boxers have a fight go over 1 million PPV three consecutive years. One is Tyson.

The other is NOT Mayweather.
Guess who? It's not Oscar!
It's none other than the P4P king, Fighter of the Decade, and Best Fighter of the Era!

It's a foreigner who fought another foreigner and did over 1 million PPV in this country.
Yup, no need to name him.

[sapaw]

JMM asked for ethe same thing bob just gave shane. Jmm is a much bigger draw than shane. they are dodging JMM, no matter what you think

How much did Shane and Marquez got on Mayweather fight?

[hitking]

on JMM last fight, Im sure Floyd is much bigger draw on JMM's opponent.. Did JMM asked for 5M?

We all know if Pac - JMM fight, its Pac that will do the much work on PVV... let us put this way, let GBP promote this Pac - JMM and Pac will ask 20M guaranteed plus PPV... Do you think GBP will agree to this knowing their fighter cant generate average PPV? This is also the reason why GBP is giving the promotion only to TR coz they know Marquez is a bum on PPV...

Obviously, Katsidis isn't as big a draw as Mayweather. But, I think you're missing my point. Regardless of what JMM's initial proposal was, and we've heard conflicting reports come from Arum's own mouth, if Team Pacquaio legitimately wanted the fight, they would have at least made a counter proposal. Them walking after an initial proposal without even making a counter tells me that they had no intentions of making the fight anyway and simply used JMM's first proposal as an out.

[hitking]

Only two boxers have a fight go over 1 million PPV three consecutive years. One is Tyson.

The other is NOT Mayweather.
Guess who? It's not Oscar!
It's none other than the P4P king, Fighter of the Decade, and Best Fighter of the Era!

It's a foreigner who fought another foreigner and did over 1 million PPV in this country.
Yup, no need to name him.

Actually, Mayweather has outdrawn Pac at a 2:1 clip with common opponents and has outdrawn him in theirlast two PPVs. Mayweather did 2.45M with de la hoya. Pac did 1.2M. Money did 915K with Hatton, Pac did 800K. Money did 1.1M with JMM, Pac did 400K. Mayweather did 1.4M with Mosley, Pac did 1.1M with Margarito. I think its pretty clear who's the bigger PPv draw, and its not the catchweight champ.

[I_like_wendys]

Nothing to be afraid of... JMM already BEAT PAC TWICE (ask JMM), no need a third fight...

because he wants the history books to read JMM Marquez W Pac, like he deserves, especially in the 2nd fight, which he won.

Moving on from that, all the *******s arguing about JMM pricing himself out is getting ******. Marquez is a Lineal champion right now and can argue he had Pac beat twice, but doesn't deserve 6 mil because he lost to Floyd, even though he's coming off 2 exciting KO wins since.

Shane has no hardware, Also lost decisively to Floyd, and is coming off a Boring Majority Draw to a 2nd tier fighter, but deserves 7 mil because of, I dunno being undefeated at lightweight 10+ years ago. or The Margarito KO win 2 years ago.

[Lorily]

ok lets not get crazy here!
marquez and mosley last losses were to mayweather!
all marquez has done was win against Diaz and Katsidis! big deal! and for mosley a draw since his lost! not to forget mosley KO'd Margarito.
its still no where near the accomplishments of a guy he dreams of fighting again (manny) to make high demands!
Marquez isnt any better then Mosley, shane shouldnt even be getting that much.
point being was how could marquez out price himself for a fight he masterbates to????

now i"ll wait!

You seriously can't see the difference between JMM last few fights and Shane Moselys last fight?

O.K., lets go back before both fought FMJ. JMM TKOs crafty veteran Casamayor and not only knocks out Juan Diaz, he put on a FOTY performance. Shane has a beautiful performance and TKO against (a one-dimentional) Margarito, I give him that no doubt. But prior to that he loses to Cotto and barely eeks out a K.O. against Mayorga of all people, with just seconds left in the 12th round - a fight which he was losing up until that point and did not look impressive at all.

But you can't ignore what these two men have done during and since their loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. For you to say "All JMM has done since his loss to FMJ is win against Diaz and Katsidis" (like it's nothing) and in the same breath saying "for mosley a draw since his lost, not to forget mosley KO'd Margarito ..." (like a draw and poor performance with Mora is no big deal since he T.K.O.d Margarito) is downplaying JMM accomplishments and up-ing Shane Moselys - with clear bias, don't you think?

Both are great fighters, both deserve respect and acknowledgement - but yet one fighter is still fighting impressive and competitive fights before and since losing to FMJ, while the other is not.

Don't get me wrong - I love SSM. But that doesn't mean I wan't to see him fight forever, and his time for fighting Pacquiao or any other elite fighter, has past. He should stick to fighting lower level competition if he really needs money or just hang em up. The only thing he will do now in this point of his career is get hurt, badly. I certainly don't want to see that.

[sapaw]

Obviously, Katsidis isn't as big a draw as Mayweather. But, I think you're missing my point. Regardless of what JMM's initial proposal was, and we've heard conflicting reports come from Arum's own mouth, if Team Pacquaio legitimately wanted the fight, they would have at least made a counter proposal. Them walking after an initial proposal without even making a counter tells me that they had no intentions of making the fight anyway and simply used JMM's first proposal as an out.

early this year, Marquez ask 50/50 plus full OST... http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24578

now he is asking twice his highest guaranteed... is this the fighter who wants to fight????

[mr_kamado10]

Marquez earned 5 million, PPV not yet included, against Floyd...Marquez wants double of what he earned against Floyd, that is 10 million plus 2million possibly he will earn in PPV...The total will be 12 million earning For Marquez as against 7 million earning for Mosley for Pacman fight...Mosley performed better by almost KO Floyd twice while Marquez did nothing or never a threat in 12 complete round against Floyd..Floyd even scored a knockdown against Marquez..Marquez is NO GOOD at higher weight and should not demand higher..and Marquez wants more what he earned against Floyd...that pricing himself out and will possibly fight faded and shot Morales for less than a million....He also pricing himself out when he turned down 750k for a rematch fight against Pacman and opted to fight Chris John for a measly 30k and it was held in Indonesia....

[mr_kamado10]

Marquez is fraud....

1.fighting Katsidis who was KO by Casamayor and beaten by Diaz...Both Casa and Diaz was beaten by Marquez and still Marquez fought the loser, one dimensional and bum Katsidis.
What did Marquez gained fighting Katsidis????NOTHING!!!!!!!!
2.fighting Diaz who has 5 loses on his last 6 fights(beaten and battered by Campbell, and toyed by Malignaggi).
3.next fight will be against faded and shot Morales at 135 instead of Soto. What will Marquez gain in fighting Morales(KO twice by Pacman) on his next fight to be worthy challenger against Pacman...

if Marquez is seroiusly wants to get a fight with Pacman he should move up in weight and should be in the mix fight with khan, devon, bradley, maidana, berto and even Mosley to be worthy challenger against Pacman...Those fighters are fighting each other to have a chance to fight Pacman while Marquez is feasting on bum, and faded fighters in lower weight to get a fight with Pacman...He even price himself out with unrealistic demand against Pacman.... This was the 2nd time he did this...The 1st rematch was Marquez price himself out by turning down 750K dollars fight with Pacman and choosing 30k dollars fight with Chris John in Indonesia...And now he has a unrealistic demand to price himself out of Pacman fight instead will fight Morales or any bums, loser and faded fighter at 135 for less than a million...Marquez wants more than what he received when he fought Floyd...Come on!!!!!His lost against Floyd was dominant where he didn't win any round or never a threat for 12 complete round, even Floyd scored a knockdown,wants more against Pacman...Marquez didn't prove himself that he is worthy challenger at higher weight...He's a joke at higher weight...Even Malignaggi will KO him in first round....