Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 Title

[richardt]

Uh, um....the timeline was from December 2009. Old news.....just say no to deep freeze since you have been frozen since December 2009. This was NOT April/May 2010 when Manny accepted. This argument ended when Pac accepted the testing. Nice try...not.

[The Evil 1-2]

In a deal that many are expecting to be finalized by Thursday, "Sugar" Shane Mosley will likely be announced as the next opponent for eight-division champion Manny Pacquiao in an HBO pay-per-view televised clash on May 7 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

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Enough is enough already...

[WESS]

Don't be so ******.

Team Mayweather publicly stated that the calls between Haymon and Greenburg were NOT part of an official negotiation. You are gullible if you think that a fight of that magnitude could be made with a couple of calls from Ross Greenburg.

In fact, 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first-hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stated that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

Use your head man.....
FACT: BOB ARUM LIED !!

The " deadline " was a sham.....

A "deadline" that Arum negotiated with GBP is about to expire.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

The very next day, Arum is forced to admit that he never even spoke with GBP....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

So how could it be possible for official negotiations to have taken place?

You listen to Bob Arum ?

Jeez kid, he has been lying about the state of fight negotiations for over 40 years now, wake up.

A mediator will sit in a room with both parties and walk them through the process, and an official negotiation could easily take days. Greenburg was just an errand boy, and nothing more.

The mediator that TR/GBP used last time walked both parties through the process, Greenburg was just an errand boy with a ****ty offer that Arum knew would be rejected. Just like it states here.....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

Wake up, your "Mayweather is scared" fantasy, doesn't fit with the facts kid.

It is absolutely ridiculous for you to think that the OST request was a duck.

If Mayweather wanted a way out of that fight, do you really think that he would have accepted 50/50? or that silly 10mil per pound demand?

He would have used one of five excuses, and ALL of them would be better than your one..... because, Manny could have simply taken the test..... just like Shane did, like Manny should have done, and like Manny states that he will agree to now.

The bottom line is, the fight has not yet happened, bacause Manny refused to submit to random blood testing during the only official negotiation.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27427

Not only that, Floyd said "NO TEST, NO FIGHT" after the Shane Mosley fight. Pac and Arum never signed anything agreeing to anything, simple as that. WOrds don't mean anything as you can see nothing happened but talk no signed contract by Arum. All we got from them was a ****** countdown clock.

T-shirt idea anyone???

"waited in line for months to see the Mayweather vs Pac fight and all I got was this ****** countdown clock"

wtf... Anyone that took Arum serious with that countdown clock and the second round of negotiations is very naive. Arum promoted Floyd at one point, he knows better than anyone how to make OR BREAK a fight with Floyd. Obviously......

Arum already told FLoyd no when it came to Cotto, Arum already told Pac no when it came to Mosley...... If BOB doesn't like it, it wont happen. He's already made it clear that if Mayweather and Pac fight doesn't happen, he couldn't care any less.

[richardt]

Uppercut, you cannot even post an article to your defence. The article that YOU posted clearly shows that ARUM, HAYMAN, and GREENBURG were in negotiations. It EVEN mentioned that GREENBURG was the middleman. You are both hypocritical and downright ****** as hell. Let me know when you are ready to burn again....just hand me your torch again like you did with the article. FYI - ARUM, HAYMAN, and GREENBURG were key people. Again, child, you are dismissed.

[gonhlywd]

This is a timeline of excuses regarding drug testing from TEAM PACQUIAO beginning after the Cotto fight at the end of 2009

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general. [/

Well said.

[LeadUppercut]

right...because the higher weights are less dangerous. how convenient for pac to run to higher weight

You fkn Wally, are you calling Diaz dangerous?

A Hatton, that even Marquez could easily have beaten, was dangerous?

A 145lb shot, drained, shrink-wrapped Hoya, again that Marquez could easily have beaten, was dangerous?

Cotto, a faded, shop-worn, beaten fighter, who they tried to cheat the scales, was dangerous?

Clottey..... dangerous?

Margarito? A slow, plodding, shop-worn, mediocre, BUM, with no KO power, who had just been KTFO by grandpa Mosley..... dangerous ?

When did " dangerous " happen kid ?

Have you even been reading this thread ?

Do you think that the overwhelming majority of posters sound like they are impressed with Manny's "dangerous" opponents?

[MuckMuck]

This is astonishing! Not only is Manny allowing Mosley to roid, but he's also giving him a luxury of not draining himself to make 147. The version of Mosley that Manny will face is gonna be far better than the weight drained, steroid-free one that Mayweather struggled with.

[richardt]

Once more, the article states GREENBURG HANDLED THE NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN ARUM AND HAYMAN. Now Uppercut, please look for an online dictionary and look up the word "negotiations". And remember, you posted the link to the article. Come back when you have removed the egg off your face.

[Las Vegas,]

Uh, um....the timeline was from December 2009. Old news.....just say no to deep freeze since you have been frozen since December 2009. This was NOT April/May 2010 when Manny accepted. This argument ended when Pac accepted the testing. Nice try...not.

He never accepted RANDOM testing you idiot. If he did this fight would of happened in March. God you *******s are pathetic. You're suppose to be Asian, why aren't you smart?

[adp023]

Uppercut needs to realize there were two time frames. I thought everyone knew about the second set of negotiations.....apparently Uppercut does not. Lets hope he becomes enlightened instead of defending Mayweather. I have seen TONS of fans turn away from Mayweather, people who defended him till they were blue in the face but they turned away because of the things he is doing to other people and his ducking Pac.

Pac has an entire country behind him, Mayweather could not even get all the people on his block behind him. That has to be weighing on Mayweather heavily. His HUGE ego cannot handle Pac being #1, otherwise WHY would he go on a racist rant???? Mayweather is so dillusional that he thinks that noteriety is fame and that is what he is after. That is the only way to explain his going postal.

Floyd just doesn't have a real foundation. Just look at his Dad & uncle. That explains everything!! You give a spoiled brat success, money & fame, this is what happens. Bernard Hopkins said it best about Floyd even before Floyd had this monstrous meltdown. B-Hop basically said in a radio interview that Floyd will end up like Tyson and in 20 yrs, we'll see a similar "Tyson" documentary about Floyd. He may be right, but I think the difference is that Mike was able to rehabilitate himself. I don't see Floyd having the brutal honesty and psychological aptitude that Mike had.