Roach to insist drug testing for the Mosley fight

[LMFAO]

Read my new thread from AOL boxing fanhouse Lem Satterfield where Roach states NO testing and it was a lie.

I guess Random OST for Shane or MAnny isn't required in this fight. Possibly more commission testing for Shane though?

[jrosales13]

Yeah because I'm sure Mayweather thoroughly enjoyed submitting to Pacquiao scroll of requests.

Of course he didn't and props to Floyd for accepting some of Pac demands that went beyond the commission rules. Floyd should be commended for that no doubt.

However, again if Pac takes OST with Shane(which I repeat he will not) but for argument sake he does? How is that a bad thing? And, if he does it how can he turn around and say no to Floyd in the future?

Again we demanded for him to take these tests, now if he does is not good enough? That is just plain idiotic to me.

[ronnie_N.]

mosley admitted before he uses steroids... it just makes sense... your a dumb **** if you cannot figure it out...

funny thing that could happen: pacquiao will submit himself to random blood testing when he faces mosley (no cutoffs, etc.), but still will not budge on floyd's own demand of random testing when they start to negotiate for the 3rd time...

[jeg77]

One word : Hypocritical!

[FloydTBE]

haha gotta laugh at this

[deejd]

Of course he didn't and props to Floyd for accepting some of Pac demands that went beyond the commission rules.

Mayweather accepted all of them.

However, again if Pac takes OST with Shane(which I repeat he will not) but for argument sake he does? How is that a bad thing? And, if he does it how can he turn around and say no to Floyd in the future?

Nobody has posted it being a "bad thing." Those are your words and your words only. I'm trying extremely hard to assume that you're not slow, but there's a difference between it being a "bad thing" and "hypocritical" which the consensus draws the latter. So Pacquiao does request extra testing, just dandy.... why didn't you agree to extra testing for Mayweather. That's the point, is it translating yet, or do you want to continue "playing" middle school poster?

Again we demanded for him to take these tests, now if he does is not good enough? That is just plain idiotic to me.

Right, because last December you were professing how much you wanted Pacquiao to agree to testing... pathetic.

[jrosales13]

Mayweather accepted all of them.

Not all, but most.

Nobody has posted it being a "bad thing." Those are your words and your words only. I'm trying extremely hard to assume that you're not slow, but there's a difference between it being a "bad thing" and "hypocritical" which the consensus draws the latter. So Pacquiao does request extra testing, just dandy....

Really cuz you basically said is a bad move. That in this case there should be no blood testing at all...I can bring up the post if you want?

why didn't you agree to extra testing for Mayweather. That's the point, is it translating yet, or do you want to continue "playing" middle school poster?

Because, he was either juicing, ducking, or didn't want to be dictated to.

But, again if he is coming around to the idea of OST, that is a good thing right? Or should he keep being stubborn and not take OST ever?

Right, because last December you were professing how much you wanted Pacquiao to agree to testing... pathetic.

Right, you sure about that? Fine OK...I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were a boxing fan. But, you're more interested in having a Floyd vs Pacquiao agenda. So this convo is over.

[LMFAO]

As early as two days prior to Christmas, the boxing world can expect Shane Mosley to be announced as the next opponent for eight-division champion Manny Pacquiao in an HBO pay-per-view televised clash on May 7 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

That is, according to a source close to the fighters' negotiations.

James Prince, the adviser of the 39-year-old Mosley (46-6-1, 39 knockouts), and Top Rank Promotions CEO, Bob Arum, on behalf of the 32-year-old Pacquiao (52-3-2, 38 KOs), spoke on Monday toward the goal of finalizing a deal by as early as Thursday. The older five-time, former three-division champion would face the younger, holder of the WBO welterweight (147 pounds) and junior middleweight (154 pounds) belts, according to the source.

Mosley would not comment on the details of their conversation, even as he did acknowledge that things were "going very well" in the negotiations process.

"We're talking to Bob Arum, but nothing is really happening as we speak right now. James Prince is kind of handling it. And then, when it gets down to the last particulars, then I'll step in and then we'll finalize it," said Mosley, who is coming off September's junior middleweight, split-decision draw with ex-world champion, Sergio Mora (21-1-1, six KOs), at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

"It's not a done deal, but all of the fingers are pointing towards me," said Mosley. "All of the fingers are pointing towards me getting the deal done and making the fight. It's not a done deal yet, like I said, but it's certainly looking like it's heading in that direction."

Mosley confirmed a report by Lance Pugmire of The Los Angeles Times that weight considerations are among the subjects that are being discussed in the negotiations, such as whether the match up will be contested at 147 pounds for Pacquiao's WBO crown -- or at a catch weight of 148 -- for Pacquiao's WBC belt.

If the deal is completed, Mosley's purse, up front, stands to be around $5 million against Pacquiao. But, with incentives, Mosley could wind up earning a career-high, surpassing the previous career-best of $7 million that he pocketed against Mayweather's guaranteed $22.5 million. Mayweather's guarantee for Mosley was a non-heavyweight record.

Pacquiao, Arum and Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, spent last week going over the proposals of Mosley and those of the other two considerations, 37-year-old WBO and WBA lightweight (135 pounds) king Juan Manuel Marquez (51-5-1, 38 KOs) and 27-year-old WBC welterweight belt-holder Andre Berto (27-0, 21 KOs).

"Right now, it's between Mosley and Berto. Mosley's the front-runner, but we haven't made a decision," said a source. "But Marquez, you know, he's asking for too much money. So, in other words, he's politely saying, 'No' to the fight."

Berto has scored two straight knockouts, respectively, over southpaw former world champion Carlos Quintana (27-3, 22 KOs) in April and hard-punching Freddy Hernandez (29-1, 20 KOs) last month in the eighth and first rounds.

"Mosley, in his last fight, you can't blame him for not getting up for a contender in Sergio Mora. Mosley may not have gotten up for someone like Mora, but he will get up for someone like Manny Pacquiao," said Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach.

"And between Berto and Mosley, Berto is the younger, fresher one, but in my opinion, Mosley's the much tougher fight," said Roach. "So, Mosley, in my mind, is a tougher fight. Berto, he's the young guy coming up, and his last, one-punch knockout win was impressive."

Arum would not comment on the specifics of the negotiations.

"We're trying to finalize with the opponent. We looking at the contract now, and I'm not going to announce anything until the contract is signed," said Arum. "It will be announced whenver it gets signed. Everything is preceding normally and everything is preceding well."

On Friday, Koncz told FanHouse that all three proposals were still "live," and that there was no front-runner, this, even as he and Arum had said, early on, that six-time champion Floyd Mayweather (41-0, 25 KOs) still could factor in if they had heard from him.

But Mayweather, whose negotiations for a Pacquiao fight twice reached an impasse over the issue of drug testing, had been the recent target of a Dec. 8, outstanding arrest warrant on a misdemeanor battery complaint alleging that he poked a security guard in the face several times, and requiring that Mayweather to turn himself in or face arrest at any time.

Mayweather was arrested and freed without a bond on those charges last week, and faces six months in jail if convicted for the crimes.

Represented by rival promoter, Golden Boy Promotions, Marquez has twice battled Pacquiao through a disputed draw, and, a split-decision loss, respectively, but is said to have "overpriced" himself by Koncz.

"Marquez's proposal was so out of line for anything that he got before," Arum had told FanHouse.com during a recent interview. "I don't think Manny is going to pay any attention to it."

According to a source with knowledge of Marquez's demands, the Mexican, three-division champion has asked for a $5 million guarantee, while making $5 per pay-per-view buy above 500,000, for $8.5 million total if the fight generated 1.2 million buys.

Arum, meanwhile, had called Mosley the bigger name, even after having lost May's lopsided, unanimous decision to Mayweather.

"I think that everybody can tell from what I've been saying that I think that Mosley is the opponent that makes the most sense. But it's close. That doesn't mean that Manny would necessarily agree with me. Manny may think, 'Well what about the other two?'" Arum said during a December 2 interview with FanHouse.

"To me, it doesn't really make that much of a difference," said Arum. "But if it was up to me, and I could choose, I don't make any bones about it. I would choose Shane Mosley. But it's not up to me."

A former IBF lightweight champion, Mosley has fought at welterweight or higher exclusively since relinquishing his lightweight belt in 1999, including seven bouts at junior middleweight (154 pounds), and one other at 148 pounds -- an April, 2005 decision over David Estrada.

At junior middleweight, Mosley has twice stopped former world champion, Fernando Vargas, knocked out former world titlist, Ricardo Mayorga, and earned his second win over former world champ, Oscar de la Hoya -- the latter for the WBC and WBA crowns in September of 2003.

Mosley, who also dispatched of De La Hoya by split-decision in June of 200 for the WBC welterweight crown, also twice lost to former world titlist Winky Wright at 154 pounds.

Mosley ended a nearly 16 month ring absence against Mayweather, this, following a January, 2009, ninth-round knockout victory which dethroned Antonio Margarito as WBA super world welterweight champion.

"I definitely believe that I'm the bigger draw. They know that Manny can make the most money fighting me. Why am I comfortable about the situation? I think that Bob likes what he sees in the deal with me and that he's looking to do the fight with me," said Mosley.

"We just have to make sure that we're in agreement about what we've talked about already and go from there, and think, it's pretty much a go after me. Bob and James Prince, we will sit down, and we will talk for one last time and agree on what we talked about," said Mosley. "And then, I think that it's pretty much a good deal. By Thursday, I think that Bob is going to have it pretty much done. So we're looking at probably having it done by the end of the week."

In another development, Roach denied having requested drug testing as a condition of a proposed fight with Mosley, who has denied having knowingly used the steroids commonly referred to as "the cream," and "the clear," prior to going to a grand jury in December 2003.

Mosley ingested the drugs, provided by former BALCO founder, Victor Conte, before facing De La Hoya the second time.

Mosley subjected himself to random drug testing as a condition of his fight with Mayweather. But Pacquiao has twice refused to undergo random drug testing during the negotiations with Mayweather, whose camp had insinuated that Pacquiao's ability to climb weight classes and retain his power was linked to steroid use.

In December of 2009, Pacquiao filed a lawsuit seeking compensatory and punitive damages for defamation of character against Floyd Mayweather Jr. that also names Floyd Mayweather Sr., his uncle and trainer, Roger Mayweather, as well as Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya, CEO and president, respectively, of Golden Boy Promotions, which handled Mayweather's part of the negotiations with Top Rank Promotions' Pacquiao.

"That's a lie. I never said that. We turned that [drug testing] down once ourselves, so I would have to be a hypocrite to have said that," said Roach.

"So some Filipino writer has written that I had said that, but that's not true," said Roach. "So I never said that. The thing is that I think that we're taking the fight that would bring the most money to the table, and that's what the deciding factor will be."

[War Dinamita]

If it is OST with a 7 day cut off...Is it hypocritical?

Do we not want Pac to step up to the plate?

If he fights Martinez(which he wont) and ask for the same OST will that be hypocritical also?

Do we not want him to come around to the idea of OST?

Or do we want him to stay stubborn and just say no to OST?

Let's make this real simple...

How are you going to demand something from someone else that you won't even do yourself?

Telling USADA when they can come to test you is not random and telling them how many times they can test you in training camp is not random.

Is Manny taking the same tests as Mosley, or is he only making Mosley take additional test?

[jrosales13]

Let's make this real simple...

How are you going to demand something from someone else that you won't even do yourself?

Telling USADA when they can come to test you is not random and telling them how many times they can test you in training camp is not random.

Is Manny taking the same tests as Mosley, or is he only making Mosley take additional test?

I'm pretty sure that is going to be the same NSAC test.