Why doesn't Hopkins get suspected of being a PED user?

[THe TRiNiTY]

Which fighter got faster and stronger as they rose in weight?

Not to be a ****, but there is so much flawed in your response, I don't even know where to begin.

Number one, I didn't say any fighter did or didn't. The point was that if a fighter did get faster or stronger, that would make a case for steroid use. As far as his healing abilities, I don't know how he feels after a fight. So, that's only speculation. As a matter of fact, he takes off a considerable amount of time in between most of his fights recently. If anything, that proves that it takes longer to recover.

Number two, some fighters have gotten stronger moving up. Some have not lost any speed. Judah and Mayweather didn't lose any speed that was noticeable moving up. Perhaps they have now, after aging a bit, but they moved up well with their speed. Juan Manuel Marquez doesn't look noticeably slower at 135 then he was at 130. Perhaps a tick I suppose, but it translated well. In terms of power, Paul Williams seemed to have a bigger punch at 154 then he did at 147. He knocked out a man at 147 in Quintana, and a journeyman at 160. So, realistically, it looked decent enough. Hard to gauge, but decent nonetheless.

Number three, and most importantly, steroid use is possible in virtually any case. However, like Pacquiao, there is no EVIDENCE of ANY use for Hopkins or Manny.

Therefore, Hopkins isn't accused. The reason Manny is accused is because a few people in the public's eye thought that he HAD to be using steroids. No indication that they had any PROOF of the matter, but they spoke in public. That's all it takes for rumors and what have you to arise.

Doesn't make it right, just what happens.

[Kid McCoy]

Hopkins is hardly a terror of the division in his 40s though. He's getting by on skills, experience and spoiling tactics but is still only 5-3 in his last eight fights.

[ikim322]

Not to be a ****, but there is so much flawed in your response, I don't even know where to begin.

Number one, I didn't say any fighter did or didn't. The point was that if a fighter did get faster or stronger, that would make a case for steroid use. As far as his healing abilities, I don't know how he feels after a fight. So, that's only speculation. As a matter of fact, he takes off a considerable amount of time in between most of his fights recently. If anything, that proves that it takes longer to recover.

Number two, some fighters have gotten stronger moving up. Some have not lost any speed. Judah and Mayweather didn't lose any speed that was noticeable moving up. Perhaps they have now, after aging a bit, but they moved up well with their speed. Juan Manuel Marquez doesn't look noticeably slower at 135 then he was at 130. Perhaps a tick I suppose, but it translated well. In terms of power, Paul Williams seemed to have a bigger punch at 154 then he did at 147. He knocked out a man at 147 in Quintana, and a journeyman at 160. So, realistically, it looked decent enough. Hard to gauge, but decent nonetheless.

Number three, and most importantly, steroid use is possible in virtually any case. However, like Pacquiao, there is no EVIDENCE of ANY use for Hopkins or Manny.

Therefore, Hopkins isn't accused. The reason Manny is accused is because a few people in the public's eye thought that he HAD to be using steroids. No indication that they had any PROOF of the matter, but they spoke in public. That's all it takes for rumors and what have you to arise.

Doesn't make it right, just what happens.

I'd quit trying to actually write out rationalized paragraphs to that monkey if I were you. It's debatable whether or not he even knows how to read much less comprehend something he's read and put out counter arguments. There have been several attempts at rationality in this thread towards him, and he just keeps coming back with ****** one liners. It's pointless.

[FLYBOY]

I'm a Hopkins fan and I think he is on drugs. Lots of elite athletes are on drugs..... There's nothing we can do about it now. Especially with drug testing being Sh-it in Boxing.... Like I have said before, in my High School football team (on the amatuer level) a lot of guys were on drugs, and in Professional football, the players are extremely FAST and STRONG... Hard work and dedication plays a role but so do drugs.... Any good scientist/ doctor will tell you do that only a dumb athlete will fail a drug test.

[ikim322]

I'm a Hopkins fan and I think he is on drugs. Lots of elite athletes are on drugs..... There's nothing we can do about it now. Especially with drug testing being Sh-it in Boxing.... Like I have said before, in my High School football team (on the amatuer level) a lot of guys were on drugs, and in Professional football, the players are extremely FAST and STRONG... Hard work and dedication plays a role but so do drugs.... Any good scientist/ doctor will tell you do that only a dumb athlete will fail a drug test.

Wow. I didn't think it was possible to rival the original thread maker's ******ity. But you came close. Great argument guy. 'People are extremely fast and strong. Lots of guys on my football team were on drugs. Lots of elite athletes are on drugs. This leads to the stunning conclusion: Hopkins must be on drugs'. I see what you did there. Following your maze of logic is tough sleddin'.

[Joartcc7]

Maybe because he never takes time off from the gym. Has lived ridiculously clean almost all his life. Always had great boxing skills and ring generalship that wasn't dependent on superhuman reflexes which is the first thing to go (a la RJJ). Wins a lot of his fights with boring tactics using said boxing skills. His body doesn't even look like that of a PED user. Just an in shape fairly cut older guy. And when the hell was he just ordinary? When he just came out of prison and started boxing professionally right away? What a ****** thread.

Where are all the uneducated *****S???

They started this crap alright.

[FLYBOY]

Wow. I didn't think it was possible to rival the original thread maker's ******ity. But you came close. Great argument guy. 'People are extremely fast and strong. Lots of guys on my football team were on drugs. Lots of elite athletes are on drugs. This leads to the stunning conclusion: Hopkins must be on drugs'. I see what you did there. Following your maze of logic is tough sleddin'.

You sound very intelligent... NOT.
Do you agree that drug testing in Boxing is sh-it?

[ikim322]

You sound very intelligent... NOT.
Do you agree that drug testing in Boxing is sh-it?

This is the last response I'm going to make to you. Because well, please read that first post of yours to yourself. Out loud. If there's a sign of lack of intelligence, there's a gold mine right there.

Drug testing in boxing is a problem to the extent it is in many sports. Singling out Hopkins for it is far and away ****** as ****. And so are you. Pc out.

[benjyyy]

"why shouldn't we suspect Bernard when we see all of the facts? He didn't always have great boxing skills. He was quite ordinary like every other guy who starts out. "

So now theres PEDs that give you better boxing skills?!

Its pretty simple. He doesnt possess inordinately good physical attributes for his age. He is just a good, experienced, wily boxer who doesnt get hit much.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Add tonights result as another notch for su****ion. Bernards endurance and stamina is through the roof. Plus, the way he was matching speed with the younger and faster guy is questionable as well.