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  • #21
    Originally posted by cixthree View Post
    Prime non drained Oscar destroys any version of Manny in 3-5 easy
    Yes because, Oscar dominated quick southpaws all the time. And, always showed great stamina in all of his fights.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Rabbit ♠ View Post
      I'd take Pacquiao in that fight. Shane loves to dash in and flurry or dash in and look for something big. Pacquiao would have turned him. Hand speed against a prime Shane is pretty even, tough I'd say Pac is faster by a hair. Pac's feet are faster and better. I'd take Pac by UD as Shane has one of the best chins I've ever seen.

      I'm no ******* by any means, but the only 90's WW I see beating Pacquiao is Sweet Pea. Very badly I might add.
      I see the 90's Margarito beating Pac. Quartey too, would really, really create problems for him. And Tito would flatten him. Oscar and Shane? I'm not sure...

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      • #23
        People are always going to undermine a champions accomplishments. Usually it changes once they've retired and been looked back in history. Has happened to Leonard, Jones, Mayweather and now Pacquiao.

        The man's talent and drive let alone gives him a "chance" against any of the greats. Not saying he'd win but it's ****** to ever count him out. I don't know how any fighter can go 12 rounds without being hit flush at all when fighting Pacquiao. The footwork, angles and hand speed isn't comparable to anyone's right now. Freak of nature!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
          Good point about the southpaw.... The only one I can think of is Collazo? The Marquez fight I contributed that being at 154 more so than the southpaw stance.
          Yeah...I think Shane's confidence was shot as well in that fight (against Marquez). But I wonder how he'd do against a fast, hard-hitting southpaw. The only version of Shane I'd pick to beat Manny is the one who fought Oscar the first time. I don't think he looked that good again. Oh wait, and the version who fought Shannon Taylor (I know, I know).

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Forza View Post
            he looks fast against slow fighters.
            Yes. Oscar and Mosley would absolutely school him easily. Either guy scores a KO more than likely, if Pac can survive (which I doubt he could, DLH was a great closer and could force a stoppage), he is losing in a very lopsided UD.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
              I see the 90's Margarito beating Pac. Quartey too, would really, really create problems for him. And Tito would flatten him. Oscar and Shane? I'm not sure...
              I wanted to say Ike because of the jab, but I think if I had to lay $ down I'd lay it on Pac.

              Tito.. mmm.. That's a toss up. Tito has the ability to end a fight in one punch, but how many shots would he have to eat before finding that perfect left hook? I'd say several, especially if we're talking about late 90's power hungry Tito. I just see that fight being a mix of DLH/Tito and Pac/Marg, where Tito just kind of stalks Manny while Manny circles off the ropes and lands almost at will.

              I'd take Pac on points. I just see Tito getting knocked down and Roach coming up with perfect gameplan to avoid Tito's left. Manny circling left and coming in with straight lefts should do the trick.. Idk, guys with Tito's power are really unpredictable.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Rabbit ♠ View Post
                I wanted to say Ike because of the jab, but I think if I had to lay $ down I'd lay it on Pac.

                Tito.. mmm.. That's a toss up. Tito has the ability to end a fight in one punch, but how many shots would he have to eat before finding that perfect left hook? I'd say several, especially if we're talking about late 90's power hungry Tito. I just see that fight being a mix of DLH/Tito and Pac/Marg, where Tito just kind of stalks Manny while Manny circles off the ropes and lands almost at will.

                I'd take Pac on points. I just see Tito getting knocked down and Roach coming up with perfect gameplan to avoid Tito's left. Manny circling left and coming in with straight lefts should do the trick.. Idk, guys with Tito's power are really unpredictable.
                Tito in his prime had a very good jab, circled well, threw great feints and his right hand was nothing to play with. Tito was the package in his prime at 147. Speaking of defense, Pacquiao's isn't that hot either. In fact, I'd say it's about even. I have no question the first left hook Tito lands to the liver would have Manny wondering why he ever left 140. I think that's a real bad style matchup for Manny. Think Margarito with footwork, ten times more hand speed and ten times more power. I see what you mean though. Woulda been EPIC!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Rabbit ♠ View Post
                  I wanted to say Ike because of the jab, but I think if I had to lay $ down I'd lay it on Pac.

                  Tito.. mmm.. That's a toss up. Tito has the ability to end a fight in one punch, but how many shots would he have to eat before finding that perfect left hook? I'd say several, especially if we're talking about late 90's power hungry Tito. I just see that fight being a mix of DLH/Tito and Pac/Marg, where Tito just kind of stalks Manny while Manny circles off the ropes and lands almost at will.

                  I'd take Pac on points. I just see Tito getting knocked down and Roach coming up with perfect gameplan to avoid Tito's left. Manny circling left and coming in with straight lefts should do the trick.. Idk, guys with Tito's power are really unpredictable.
                  I see Tito getting dropped as well but I also think that would have been the worse that would of happen to Pac. He would get up and be a killer. And, Tito was a dynamic puncher with both hands not just the left.

                  I think Tito stops and I say that without hesitation Pac does get hit.

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                  • #29
                    I think Pacquiao could beat a lot of the fighters he's beaten in their prime. However that's not to say he would have beat all of them.

                    Of the top fighters I would say this:

                    I think a Prime Erik Morales at 122-126 would have stopped Pacquiao. Still a good fight don't get me wrong just because of how strong Pacquiao is, but lets face it Erik Morales proved in their first fight and part of the second fight before he gassed out that he pretty much could neutralize pac in a way not even Marquez could.

                    Juan Manuel Marquez in his prime was also too much for Pac. Bad socks excuses aside Marquez pretty much boxed rings around Pac in the first fight and had it not been because he was considerably older and slower in the second he would have done the same.

                    I think Pacquiao however would still destroy Marco Antonio Barrera. Barrera's style was made for Pac. Marco was used to having the fastest hands pretty much against everybody, but when pacquiao changed things around he couldn't cope with it and even wanted out.

                    Oscar De La Hoya would have still quit against Pacquiao. DLH doesn't get much credit but he still had a ton of things at his disposal. He is a big guy, his hands are much faster than they give him credit for. And of course he packs a punch. However, Oscar is a guy that doesn't like to get hit and when things get a little rough he is a guy that feels he doesn't need to go through the struggle. He lacks heart and determination. Otherwise he would have beat floyd mayweather like a drum as he stood there frozen in front of him like a deer in headlights.

                    Miguel Cotto still gets beat up. Miguel strikes me as a fighter who has always been very well rounded out but he might be in the wrong weight class. When he was at 140 his punches were devastating but he was less conditioned so he couldn't take the punches. I know a lot of other Cotto fans (I like Cotto) think Marg wrecked him and that's why pac had a relatively easy time. However I do not think that's the case. Mentally Cotto was ready to come back and had relative successes early on. And he took his beating like a man. He just wasn't ready for Pacquiao and he never was.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                      Tito in his prime had a very good jab, circled well, threw great feints and his right hand was nothing to play with. Tito was the package in his prime at 147. Speaking of defense, Pacquiao's isn't that hot either. In fact, I'd say it's about even. I have no question the first left hook Tito lands to the liver would have Manny wondering why he ever left 140. I think that's a real bad style matchup for Manny. Think Margarito with footwork, ten times more hand speed and ten times more power. I see what you mean though. Woulda been EPIC!
                      Yeah man. I wish Tito vs Shane would have happened. Not that Pac fights like Shane, but just to see how Tito would have handled that kind of handspeed and because Shane's d is also lacking. Might have given me better insight.

                      That and Bhop vs RJJ are the two fights I'm still pissed never happened

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