Honestly can a fighter be a lefit champion without a loss??

[Thread Stealer]

See a real champ will fight the best out there and if gets a loss and comes back more fierce or better than before and dominates, it would be proof of what Im talking about

What if the guy beats the best out there and doesn't lose? Julio Cesar Chavez pretty much beat the top guys from 130 through 140, and didn't officially lose a bout until 1994, after 90 pro fights. He didn't really do much after his first loss. His rematch win over Randall didn't prove much other than the WBC has strange rules, and his follow up defenses after that were nothing special. He surely wasn't "better than before" after his first loss. Hell, his first loss was like 6 years after his peak performance (Rosario). Chavez was unquestionably a "legit" champ and great fighter.

Michael Spinks was the best of a terrific light-heavyweight era. He never officially lost until the Mike Tyson fight, and then he retired. He did nothing after that fight, but he was also unquestionably a legit champ and a great fighter.

You shouldn't be punished for getting the job done the first time, or not losing until you're past your prime and ideal weight division.

[Die Antwoord]

You're only as great as the competition you face. The consensus Greatest Fighter of All Time has losses on his resume.

Ive read your posts so I assume you have no heard the Good word and accepted Joe Calzaghe as your Greatest of All Time. However, lets just say Ali was the GOAT (he wasnt even close), but lets just say he was. When was he considered the best in his career? Before or after his first loss? Oh, thats right, before the loss, I always hear the Cleve Williams fight. HE HAD A 0 THEN. So clearly losing made him worse.

Would Ali have been better if there was 10 seconds left in the round with Henry Cooper and Cooper had finished him?

[rochemback]

Part of being a champion means facing real adversity, even losses. Because in boxing, as a reflection of life in general, you can't always win, there is always someone faster, bigger, stronger, younger, someone who simply had a better day, etc... How you pick yourself up and react from losses, that's what makes a real champion.

Very seldomly you will find someone who faces the best competition and still comes out on top every single time.
If this is about Floyd Mayweather Jr, I am split about him. He is really really good, but the question marks on his career are his own fault. He could have built a real legacy with his skills, but he decided not to.

[Radke]

So RJJ wasn't a champion when he did things like go beat John Ruiz or when he beat Toney or BHop...wasnt a champion then?

Do you think Vitali is better, equal or worse of a champ because he lost to Lewis and Bird. In all honesty I dont think it makes one bit of a difference other than the way people percieve him as less and the critics have more ammo against him.

So Marciano didnt have fire because he hadn't lost?

Floyd Mayweather isnt a champion?

The greatest fighter of all time, Joe Calzaghe, has no losses. I think theres 10x more of achance that after a loss a fighter loses the fire and the confidence. This thread doesnt even make sense to me. So like the UCONN girls bball team that hasnt lost in like 3 years, theyre nto champions because theyre undefeated?

Is this like a Chinese riddle or something like, "You cannot win for yourself unless you lose whats outside of yourself" or something like that?

Seriously?

[TheKza]

All the TS is trying to say is that Floyd is really not a legit champion. As he does not fight the best possible fighters out there. Objectively that view has a certain validity to it.

[Pullcounter]

there's nothing wrong with losing to another great boxer, but the way *****s make it seem, if you lose 1 fight, you're a bum, overrated, or shot.

[SNVDoublePunch!]

Le fit? Are you French?

[Tiozzo]

In my opinion they cant, there is something about loosing that will make you more fierce than ever, because it will ignite the fire that you dont want to loose again......

If I think about it my all time favorite fighters have losses and came back more fierce like champions do!

examples
Hagler
Hopkins
Pacquiao

nonsense


fighters who have their 0 intact want to keep it that way, and it drives them

Marciano and Ricardo Lopez are good examples, and they were legit champs without losses

this thread is obviously a disguised bait thread about Floyd Jr

[El_Forklift]

All the TS is trying to say is that Floyd is really not a legit champion. As he does not fight the best possible fighters out there. Objectively that view has a certain validity to it.

Why you making this a floyd thread its about champions..........

[El_Forklift]

nonsense


fighters who have their 0 intact want to keep it that way, and it drives them

Marciano and Ricardo Lopez are good examples, and they were legit champs without losses

this thread is obviously a disguised bait thread about Floyd Jr

No its not so stop mentioning him... Yeah Lopez and Marciano skip this "rule" and I think thats it, I mention this because it takes a special person to come off defeat and come back stronger than ever and its just not from this sport I was in wrestling that is why I can relate to this. When I lost I came way better because of pride and courage.....