Honestly can a fighter be a lefit champion without a loss??

[El_Forklift]

Le fit? Are you French?

Nope american/ mexican

[El_Forklift]

What if the guy beats the best out there and doesn't lose? Julio Cesar Chavez pretty much beat the top guys from 130 through 140, and didn't officially lose a bout until 1994, after 90 pro fights. He didn't really do much after his first loss. His rematch win over Randall didn't prove much other than the WBC has strange rules, and his follow up defenses after that were nothing special. He surely wasn't "better than before" after his first loss. Hell, his first loss was like 6 years after his peak performance (Rosario). Chavez was unquestionably a "legit" champ and great fighter.

Michael Spinks was the best of a terrific light-heavyweight era. He never officially lost until the Mike Tyson fight, and then he retired. He did nothing after that fight, but he was also unquestionably a legit champ and a great fighter.

You shouldn't be punished for getting the job done the first time, or not losing until you're past your prime and ideal weight division.

Yo, spinks is legit and Chavez, but keep in mind that Chavez was brought up caefully and he fit the bill, and also he lost to whitaker.......... And I dont care what the judges said.

[El_Forklift]

Ive read your posts so I assume you have no heard the Good word and accepted Joe Calzaghe as your Greatest of All Time. However, lets just say Ali was the GOAT (he wasnt even close), but lets just say he was. When was he considered the best in his career? Before or after his first loss? Oh, thats right, before the loss, I always hear the Cleve Williams fight. HE HAD A 0 THEN. So clearly losing made him worse.

Would Ali have been better if there was 10 seconds left in the round with Henry Cooper and Cooper had finished him?

Dude Cazague sucks ass he is not even close to have the resume of a cotto haha and I dont think cotto is an atg...........

[El_Forklift]

Part of being a champion means facing real adversity, even losses. Because in boxing, as a reflection of life in general, you can't always win, there is always someone faster, bigger, stronger, younger, someone who simply had a better day, etc... How you pick yourself up and react from losses, that's what makes a real champion.

Very seldomly you will find someone who faces the best competition and still comes out on top every single time.
If this is about Floyd Mayweather Jr, I am split about him. He is really really good, but the question marks on his career are his own fault. He could have built a real legacy with his skills, but he decided not to.

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[Joe2608]

The mark of a true champion comes when he gets up from his darkest days and comes back even stronger imo. Rematching and beating the person that beat you shows true fighting spirit and belief in yourself.

You don't necessarilly have to lose, but there's always going to be questions about your career if you go through it undefeated. Most likely you haven't fought the best competition around or maybe you came around in a bad era of competition in your respective division. A lot of the time people lose because they fight when they are too old when they just need the money. Some just love the sport and can't drag themselves away from it.

But i do feel we don't see fighters true colours until they lose, come back from the loss and then achieve even greater heights after the loss.

[El_Forklift]

Ricardo Lopez was pretty legit.

Aaaa you got me Lopez is not a good example.... LMAO at your signature !!

[Walt Liquor]

Of course.

You can't knock a guy for getting the job done the first time.

Now if a fighter is only undefeated because he's getting gifts and fighting soft touches, then it's a different story.

this^^^^^^^^^^

lets say bradley beats alexander and khan after, then maidana.

he's a legit 140lb ruler and a better 140lber than kostya tszyu and I"m a huge tszyu fan

[El_Forklift]

The mark of a true champion comes when he gets up from his darkest days and comes back even stronger imo. Rematching and beating the person that beat you shows true fighting spirit and belief in yourself.

You don't necessarilly have to lose, but there's always going to be questions about your career if you go through it undefeated. Most likely you haven't fought the best competition around or maybe you came around in a bad era of competition in your respective division. A lot of the time people lose because they fight when they are too old when they just need the money. Some just love the sport and can't drag themselves away from it.

But i do feel we don't see fighters true colours until they lose, come back from the loss and then achieve even greater heights after the loss.

I agree

[Thread Stealer]

Yo, spinks is legit and Chavez, but keep in mind that Chavez was brought up caefully and he fit the bill, and also he lost to whitaker.......... And I dont care what the judges said.

The Whitaker fight was just four months before his first Randall loss. Even if he had lost the Taylor fight back in 1990 and never won another meaningful fight, he had already proved himself as a great fighter. He did fight a lot of stiffs early on, but after that, basically fought a who's who of the 130, 135, 140 lb. divisions in the 80s.

There's other fighters that never really did that much after their first defeat, but proved themselves as terrific fighters.

Larry Holmes didn't need the Ray Mercer win in 1992, or an unofficial win in the Spinks rematch to show that he was a great fighter (although he didn't necessarily fight ALL the HWs we wanted him to see). Holmes didn't lose until he was in his late 30s and made 20 straight title defenses. He should be commended for being consistent and beating his opponents, rather than punished because he got the job done the first time. Felix Trinidad didn't have any notable wins after his first defeat. Joe Frazier's biggest wins his first defeat were Joe Bugner, and a second win over a shopworn Jerry Quarry. His best performance after Jamaica was probably the loss in Manila.

Opposition being equal, it's better to just get beat everyone, than to lose and then rebound and come back. It's very unlikely because it's such a tough sport, but a guy going 48-0 is better than 46-2 if he's fighting the same opponents.

[£-4-£]

Marciano and Calzaghe are ATGs and retired undefeated. They were legit champs...

Defeats help because you come back stronger. Look at Pacman, lost twice early in his career, now he's an ATG.

Khan lost vs. Prescott, but is now one win away (vs. Bradley/Alexander winner) from being top-10 P4P and lineal champ at JWW.