Is Victor Ortiz an idiot?

[tito_bandito]

All of you are right...he doesn't need confidence he has the confidence of his physical abilities but his desire and inspiration is no longer there...he needs inspiration I still think he's emotionally hurt from the Maidana loss, but knowing he was on the same card as Maidana and Khan he had a chance to make a huge statement on the 3rd and 4th round to stop Peterson but he didn't? He needs a trainer that can dig into his soul and let him see how many advantages he has...he should also move up to 147 because coming in at 156 rehydrated slows him down...he can also help the sport by adding on to the lonely 147 division...

[New England]

He doesn't have a jab. His jab is just a tap on the other guys gloves, not to score points. That is why he will have trouble winning decisions against the top guys.

this^

been sayin it for a while now

ortiz boxes like his front foot is stuck in the mud

if you want to jab that front foot needs to be stepping forward
and your back foot is generating the snap

ortiz back foot isnt his power foot as it is for most boxers

he's heavy on the front foot so he can generate power for the hook from the ground
he gets hit a lot becase he's leaning on the right side (right in the path of a right hand w/ real leverage)
he cant move effectively

and it makes him a very basic power puncher (which he doesnt have to be considering his athletic talents)


he also looks like a WW to me
he's HUGE up top


further proof that oscar and golden boy cant hold a candle to the abilities of top rank to develop a young fighter

[Plaster...Sad.]

I really don't think this guy has what it takes. Mentally he doesn't seem to know what to do in certain situations. Why in a situation where he's beating his man does he backup and start to box? Why does he step off the gas pedal against a guy with little power?

He didn't deserve to win that fight, so I'm glad it came out a draw.

They all are. It's genetic.

[-PANDA-]

He doesn't have a jab. His jab is just a tap on the other guys gloves, not to score points. That is why he will have trouble winning decisions against the top guys.

up until a year ago he had a magnificent jab

right now he just fights ******...he doesnt adapt and anticipate on his opponents movement

peterson came in with a plan a, b and c...ortiz didnt have any plan at all

[elhijoprodigo]

You can have planes from a-z but without any heart you will accomplish nothing. Ortiz has no heart. The little bit he had was taken away in the maidana fight.

[zero188]

IMO he hasnt recovered mentally from the Maidana loss. Like everyone says, he has the tools. Also take into account his choldhood. I am sure he must have some demons in his head. The smiles cannot hide everything. Not trying to bash the guy, becuse i hope he applies himself if that is what he really wants.

[M.I.C.]

I dont want to call him an idiot but Ortiz doesn't have the intelligence to be an elite. He is good enough but simply not smart enough to win big fights.

[Phil Ivey]

The post fight press conference showed his lack of hungriness , he was going on about boxing is not his life etc and how he's having fun etc. Pre-Maidana he was awesome but he hasn't done anything since.

[Merashjai07]

This maidana thing has nothing to with the ortiz draw. Ortiz was never taught how to box to begin with. After the knock out on peterson, ortiz got predictable and peterson started chipping away.

[AKATheMack]

Hes not a killer. Plain and simple. All the talent in the world, hes just not mean enough.