Re-watched fight: New Analysis on Ortiz/Peterson

[JDezi4]

Mora never wobbled Mosley,Peterson Wobbled Ortiz and made him very hesitant when Ortiz clearly had Peterson hurt the rd before..

Mora did land quite a few flush shots on Mosley that knocked his head back. No one said Peterson had less power than Mora, and no one said Ortiz had a better chin than Mosley. Mosley's throwback chin, and Mora's feather fists were all that kept him from being wobbled.

That shouldn't have been the fight decider for u anyway. It was one moment particularly in a round Ortiz should have won on ur card if u were scoring properly.

[JDezi4]

Not to mention ortiz was on his giddyup for much of the fight. His back to the ropes circling like he didn't want to fight. Lamont outboxed him in quite a few rounds. I had rounds even, ortiz winning by the two kd's.

Which is definitely not "not doing shi t"

Maybe if u read the rest hmm...?

[JDezi4]

Watched 1st half of the fight an it looked like ortiz was on way to an easy night,was stronger, and faster than peterson,knowing that ortiz fought to a draw against a looklike weight drain.maidana really mess ortiz game up .if ortiz would've man up ,stood his ground peterson would've been ko'd

If u gave 4 out of the first 5 rounds to Ortiz like u should have, he should have won the fight on ur card. Thanks to the knockdowns. That's just fact.

[Walt Liquor]

Maybe if u read the rest hmm...?

I don't need to, I was speaking to someone else.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Mora did land quite a few flush shots on Mosley that knocked his head back. No one said Peterson had less power than Mora, and no one said Ortiz had a better chin than Mosley. Mosley's throwback chin, and Mora's feather fists were all that kept him from being wobbled.

That shouldn't have been the fight decider for u anyway. It was one moment particularly in a round Ortiz should have won on ur card if u were scoring properly.

Dude you brought up the Mosley Mora fight or someone else in this thread did not me..Just wanted you too know what Peterson did(effective boxing)and what Mora did(effective running)were totally different..Its crazy how Ortiz fans can't see the dude was outboxed its simple,I bet you thought Ortiz was dominating Maidana before he was stopped..Lol to funny..

[Chuckguy]

well, if he didn't weight 156 lbs + a bigger puncher + faster, then we wouldn't be overrating him.

rjj with the same advantages was superhuman. the difference I guess is in mentality.

yeah that really showed in the tarver and johnson fights as well as the fight in austrailia
hahahha

[JDezi4]

Dude you brought up the Mosley Mora fight or someone else in this thread did not me..Just wanted you too know what Peterson did(effective boxing)and what Mora did(effective running)were totally different..Its crazy how Ortiz fans can't see the dude was outboxed its simple,I bet you thought Ortiz was dominating Maidana before he was stopped..Lol to funny..

Well u made the comment "Peterson staggered Ortiz and Mora didn't". All I did was point out the difference.

There r fans, and there r haters. As a fan, I've already admitted that wasn't his best performance.

As a hater, u saw running, and now u wanna say he was scared. U saw Peterson have some success, and now u've convinced urself he outboxed Ortiz. U here me say he was weight drained, and instead of checking if my reason why was correct (I even say in on first page I may be wrong about it), u just skip that and call it an excuse.

And the fact u think Maidana was winning the fight against Ortiz... I don't see how ur judgment of this fight would be any more credible.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Well u made the comment "Peterson staggered Ortiz and Mora didn't". All I did was point out the difference.

There r fans, and there r haters. As a fan, I've already admitted that wasn't his best performance.

As a hater, u saw running, and now u wanna say he was scared. U saw Peterson have some success, and now u've convinced urself he outboxed Ortiz. U here me say he was weight drained, and instead of checking if my reason why was correct (I even say in on first page I may be wrong about it), u just skip that and call it an excuse.

And the fact u think Maidana was winning the fight against Ortiz... I don't see how ur judgment of this fight would be any more credible.

LOL damn you just proved me right,Maidana was all even on my card when he stopped Ortiz..I never said Ortiz was running read my post,I did however say he was hesitant cause he was..The Ortiz of old would have overwhelm Peterson he was 10lbs bigger then him and was the bigger puncher...If you can't see Maidana damage Ortiz then I don't know what to tell ya..I also already explained why the weight drain excuse was garbage,Ortiz was allowed to weigh in at 141lb and then went up ten pounds more..He was at a comfortable weight on fight night and was out boxed..If you also don't know boxing it's not my fault,you said Peteerson was holding and hitting(Illegally)but if you know boxing if the ref does not tell you to break that means you punch out buddie..Which Peterson was doing,face it Peterson was at a major disadvantage and out boxed Ortiz with a sound gameplan..I have no stake in either fighter and have no hate for Ortiz,I wanted Ortiz to do well I just knew and said for months that it would not be as easy as many thought..I was right,to take it further Peterson rd by rd beat Ortiz but like I said before because of the knockdown I gave it a draw..Just deal with it Ortiz does not like punishment and can't really take it either..Peterson also showed he can be out boxed..Ortiz has to many flaws,if he was hungry enough I would say he could overcome this but I just don't believe he is..Ortiz was not dominating Maidana and if they fought a rematch it would end even worse for Ortiz..

[JDezi4]

LOL damn you just proved me right,Maidana was all even on my card when he stopped Ortiz..

On ur card, and on ur card alone lol. Maidana won the 5th, and arguably the 1st. How could u possibly have scored it even considering the knockdowns? Unless u scored the 6th, but why would u?

If you can't see Maidana damage Ortiz then I don't know what to tell ya..I also already explained why the weight drain excuse was garbage,Ortiz was allowed to weigh in at 141lb and then went up ten pounds more..He was at a comfortable weight on fight night and was out boxed..

If he'd have gained something around what Peterson gained 8 or 9 pounds, that's average. But the fact he gained about 15 pounds shows his body was seriously starving for nutrition. If a guy was stranded in the dessert for 2 days, was rescued and given a full meal, would u expect him to be able to box 10 rounds? Ur reason for thinking he wasn't weight drained is simply incorrect. Unless of course by weight drain, u think De La Hoya/Pacquiao.

That said, it's water weight anyway. It's not gonna add to his strength and power.

Lol, but I bet that means nothing to u cuz I already know u can't explain nutrition to boxing fans. They either don't believe u or don't want to admit it.

If you also don't know boxing it's not my fault,you said Peteerson was holding and hitting(Illegally)but if you know boxing if the ref does not tell you to break that means you punch out buddie..Which Peterson was doing,face it Peterson was at a major disadvantage and out boxed Ortiz with a sound gameplan..

I won't admit it. If u knew boxing a little better u'd know that when the referee says "Punch out" that means break the clinch with ur punches (taking into mind the referee never said "punch out"). That was illegal holding and hitting. U can't hold/immobilize ur opponent and hit him with the other hand. And what ur thinking is the referee wasn't breaking them up while Lamont held and hit, which is not true. Lamont was just lucky the referee didn't catch it as well as the camera's did to give him a hard warning. If that was his gameplan, than it was brilliant, but it was dirty.

That being said, Ortiz still won the fight lol. The illegal holding and hitting kept Ortiz on the outside for rounds 6, 7, 8, and somewhat in round 9 (I scored that even). Other than those rounds, Peterson didn't outbox Ortiz at all. U could give him the second, cuz the only thing outstanding that happened in that round was a few right hands to Ortiz's side during the clinch. Ortiz won every other round quite handily, Plus got 2 knockdowns. Not a draw.

[Double A 215]

people really need to rewatch the fight and put the Ortiz hate to the side Lamont wasnt doing **** and was on the defensive most of the fight he took a page from Mora playbook and was fighting scared after almost getting KO'd

what fight were u watching? Ortiz did nothing after rd 3... The 2nd kd was bs... Peterson was never hurt the whole fight and he landed the cleaner power shots while boxing and wrestling with a guy 10-lbs bigger and noticably so...