Re-watched fight: New Analysis on Ortiz/Peterson

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  • JDezi4
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    Re-watched fight: New Analysis on Ortiz/Peterson

    The first time I watch a fight, I don't really score it. I', usually watching as a fan and not as a judge or an analyst.

    The first time I watched it, I was looking at Ortiz the same as everyone else was, which was as a future golden boy of boxing. Future superstar/champion. An underestimated top fighter in the division that all he needs is a chance to prove it and he will show that he is elite.

    And becuz of that, I judged him harshly. Now I did take into mind the idea of him being weight drained, and him needing a new trainer. But still, he looked horrible.

    But just now, I re-watched the fight thinking that he is being overrated. Thinking that he isn't a future golden boy of boxing. Isn't a future star/champion. Basically I looked at him as an ordinary boxer with some skills and a lot of power.

    When I looked at him as nothing special, the fight was a lot better, and he looked a lot better.

    I also got to see the reason behind a lot of the bad stuff Ortiz was doing and I came to these conclusion.

    First thing: Lamont Peterson didn't look as good to me as I remember. He was doing a lot of running, a lot of holding, and a lot of holding and hitting (illegal).

    When I realized how much of that Lamont was doing, i realized why Ortiz would keep distance from time to time. A lot of people were saying it was becuz he was afraid, but it seemed more that he was just tired of the running, clinching, and the illegal cheap shots during the clinches. These moments were most prominent in 3 of the rounds I gave to Lamont (6-8). It seemed like the frustration of that was what kept Ortiz on the outside, which was the prominent reason Peterson was having success. My final score was 96 - 94. I had 1 round even (round 9).

    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not just trying to make excuses for Ortiz. He still looked bad considering what level he's suppose to be at. I still say he definitely needs a new trainer that can teach him different strategies for different kinds of opponents. And I still say he should consider moving up (though not as much as I did yesterday).

    The biggest thing about it though is that everyone wants to go all in with these young fighters. At 23, people ask too much from Ortiz and Alexander. Amir was able to pull it off, but clearly he's a special kind of fighter. Ortiz shows signs of being exceptional, but we'll just have to give him time. The fact that we put so much stock with him just makes it so much worse when he doesn't deliver. From now on, I'm going to look at him as a young prospect that isn't ready for the spot light.
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    didn't you listen to rjj's commentary?

    ortiz is ~10lbs heavier and has a bigger punch and a lot faster. ortiz is supposed to win easy.

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      So basically, if u hold Ortiz on such a high pedestal, you'll find he as of yet can't deliver. But if u look at him still as a prospect. Or a contender that has potential to be great, without expecting him to be great right away, you'll find that he is a very solid fighter with a lot of potential and you'll be able to enjoy his fights more. Spread word to Ortiz to get a new trainer.
      Last edited by JDezi4; 12-12-2010, 09:09 PM.

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        Originally posted by Pullcounter
        didn't you listen to rjj's commentary?

        ortiz is ~10lbs heavier and has a bigger punch and a lot faster. ortiz is supposed to win easy.
        That's 10 pounds of water weight. I've said in the past, water weight doesn't make as much a difference as everyone thinks.

        reply: R u saying u know more than Roy Jones?

        No I'm not saying that, I'm just saying from my experience, the whole being X amount of pounds heavier than ur opponent doesn't mean u'll be the bigger stronger more powerful guy. I'm talkin from experience. It may help a little, but not always.

        The fact that many, including me thought he should win easy is precisely why everyone is disappointed in his performance when really it wasn't that bad. He did what he could do to the best of his ability. He gets a new trainer, he'll get some new abilities
        Last edited by JDezi4; 12-12-2010, 09:15 PM.

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          Originally posted by Pullcounter
          didn't you listen to rjj's commentary?

          ortiz is ~10lbs heavier and has a bigger punch and a lot faster. ortiz is supposed to win easy.
          I almost wish they stop showing the fight night weight on HBO so people dont use that as a reason post fights

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            #6
            Originally posted by JDezi4
            That's 10 pounds of water weight. I've said in the past, water weight doesn't make as much a difference as everyone thinks.

            reply: R u saying u know more than Roy Jones?

            No I'm not saying that, I'm just saying from my experience, the whole being X amount of pounds heavier than ur opponent doesn't mean u'll be the bigger stronger more powerful guy. I'm talkin from experience. It may help a little, but not always.

            The fact that many, including me thought he should win easy is precisely why everyone is disappointed in his performance when really it wasn't that bad. He did what he could do to the best of his ability.
            well, if he didn't weight 156 lbs + a bigger puncher + faster, then we wouldn't be overrating him.

            rjj with the same advantages was superhuman. the difference I guess is in mentality.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Phenom
              I almost wish they stop showing the fight night weight on HBO so people dont use that as a reason post fights
              it's not a "reason". it's fact. ortiz was 156 lbs and peterson was 147(?) lbs.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Pullcounter
                well, if he didn't weight 156 lbs + a bigger puncher + faster, then we wouldn't be overrating him.

                rjj with the same advantages was superhuman. the difference I guess is in mentality.
                I seriously doubt it had anything to do with Roy's weight. He was just a physically gifted super human. I just doubt him being 9 pounds heavier makes a serious difference.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JDezi4
                  I seriously doubt it had anything to do with Roy's weight. He was just a physically gifted super human. I just doubt him being 9 pounds heavier makes a serious difference.
                  didn't you hear rjj's commentary during the fight? he loved having that advantage over 160 lbsers.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pullcounter
                    didn't you hear rjj's commentary during the fight? he loved having that advantage over 160 lbsers.
                    Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything to me. I wasn't involved. I just know from my own personal experience in matches both in wrestling and boxing the water weight on fight night meant little to nothing.

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