Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao vs Martinez, Only at 147-Pounds

[bluetuazon]

Pick your standards up off the floor kid. Your comparisions are absurd.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao will not fight anyone in his own division without a catch-weight, he will not fight a skilled boxer, he will not fight a skilled counter-puncher, he will not fight anyone who is on top of their game, and he is a JMW champion who will not fight a genuine JMW opponent.

Every single fight since before Marquez II has involved controversy.

Give yourself an uppercut.

In fact, give yourself two uppercuts for trying to compare Pacquiao with actual great fighters. What a truly ridiculous post that was.

mad respect for sergio.....but if he wants to get welterweight money..he should fight at welterweight....if not..theres no point in dabating if he should go down to 147.....fight pirog, bute, or even sturm!

[bluetuazon]

Yep, it is too much to ask.

"padded" Pacquiao will not fight a skilled boxer / counter-puncher, and he will not fight anyone who is on top of their game.

TEAM PACQUIAO.....
still p1ss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

didnt u know the truth behind the title at 154?? the fight was set at 150 catch...but the wbc wnated it to be a title fight so they biatched their belt for the fight...who would refuse that?? certainly not "in-house bob"...get over it man...

[GRUSTLER]

Why did Hagler never move up to 175-pounds to fight Michael Spinks ???
Because Hagler only wanted the fight if Spinks came down to 160-pounds.

how come Hagler is regarded as one of the best fighters ever, when he most fought great fighters that moved up to fight him (leightweight Duran/welterweights Leonard and Hearns), but never moved up himself and challanged the bigger boys ??

People claim Hopkins, is chicken for having fighting welterweights, despite that he was 36 years old when he fought Tito, 39 for Oscar, 41 for Tarver, 42 for Wright etc.. And Hagler lost at 33 to Leonard, who had fought, what ?? 1-2 times in 5 years, and moved up to challange Hagler.


And Manny, who fought at featherweight, now is up at welterweight and fighting great fighters, and bigger boys. And still, Manny needs to move 160-pounds to fight Martinez to make some people happy.

Boy, is Internet was around back in the "golden" years, my god how many fighters that would have been vewied as bums and never heard of today !!!

Nobody made Manny Pacquiao move up to 154 (151) and fight
antonio Margarito for a vacant title, when neither was ranked.
If Pac knew that he couldn't hang at the higher weights, then
why fight there? Pac has Martinez's title he vacated at 154
but not trying to fight anyone worth mentioning there? Pac
title fight against Margarito was a crock of $#!t considering
Arum said that he would "NEVER" put Pac in the ring with
Antonio Margarito.......

They say never say never in boxing - but not in this case. Bob Arum of Top Rank, who promotes both Margarito and Pacquiao, says the fight will never happen. He feels Margarito is too big, too strong and has one of the best chins in the sport. He even shared his thoughts with Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach.

"Freddie knows this. No way Manny’s going to fight him. Margarito takes a hell of a punch," Arum told Filipino outlet Tempo.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17573

They only considered Margarito after Shane blasted his face
into space. So much proof to show that Manny Pacquiao has
been avoiding fighters that look dominate and are winning
impressively. First like Martinez, Margarito was "too big" but
Pac still fought him and now that we all know Pac is effective
at 154 (151) then why should Martinez be "too big. I think
Martinez made a mistake by saying that about Pac, eventhough
it is true but still, that gave them an excuse and a way out of
the fight.

[bluetuazon]

With all of this you will still get *******s on here trying to defend this total BS. Pac is a fake!!!!!!!! He shouldn't remotely be prepared to PBF. He can fight for a title a man was wrongly stripped of but he can't defend it against him? This is beyond ridiculous. Bob Arum laughs at the dumbasses that fall this BS.

and floyd is not fake?? gtfoh!! floyd is the fakest of fakes...funny u cant evet tell floyd to man up and fight martinez...where the **** is floyd???

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didnt u know the truth behind the title at 154?? the fight was set at 150 catch...but the wbc wnated it to be a title fight so they biatched their belt for the fight...who would refuse that?? certainly not "in-house bob"...get over it man...

And who would refuse Martinez coming down and putting his
middle weight title on the line at a weight of 154/155 to land
a fight with Pac? Since Pac wants the belts so much. I think
and know what it is. The fact that Martinez put Paul out and
shut him up and is not a Top Rank fighter only means that
Martinez has NO CHANCE to land a fight with Pacquiao. I mean,
nothing really matters with Bob Arum anyways because he is
not going to risk his fighters losing and if they do, then it has
to be against one of Bob's other fighters. Dude is keeping the
money inhouse and living fat. I am not going to cosign the
greatness of Pac when at this point WE ALL SHOULD KNOW
BY NOW that Bob Arum sets up all his fights the way he likes.

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and floyd is not fake?? gtfoh!! floyd is the fakest of fakes...funny u cant evet tell floyd to man up and fight martinez...where the **** is floyd???

You know how I know Floyd Mayweather Jr is consider a better
fighter than Manny Pacquiao in the eyes of the fans? Even Pac
fans? Because whenever people mentioned Pac should fight
Paul Williams and now Sergio Martinez, he is too small BUT when
people mention Floyd, they say he should fight Williams/Martinez
and that he is ducking them? So Pac is too small to compete,
but Floyd is ducking or should fight the same fighters Pac wants
no part of? Floyd and Manny are in the same division. My point
is, why would someone put Manny over Floyd when Manny can't
even move up to WW and JMW without having a catchweight
but Floyd did both, EFFECTIVELY and won titles at LEGIT WEIGHTS.
Hell, my sig says it all! At first Freddie Roach wanted to make
the fight with Floyd a catchweight? How great is Pac really?

[GRUSTLER]

I can understand that. His job is to get Sergio paid also. What I don't understand is people whining about Team Pacquiao's unwillingness to take this fight at DiBella's terms.

Long before Sergio fought Williams, I have already stated my desire to see Pac fight the winner. I wanted him to quell all doubts and criticisms about catchweights and weight-drained and shot and all that. I wanted him to establish without a doubt that he is among the very best ever in the sport.

However, I realized that fans like me have been spoiled rotten and are simply being too selfish. Whether or not Pac faces or even beats Sergio at 155, there will always be people who will question his greatness. I realized that, if you still aren't a fan of Pacquiao's at this point in time, then you will never be.

Knowing that he only has three more fights remaining in his career, I just want to enjoy it while I still can. Pac has yet to fail to excite or thrill people in any of his fights (well, except perhaps for the Clottey fight). Thus, I know that whoever those last three opponents are going to be, they will all be slam-**** affairs worthy of my PPV bucks.

I say don't worry about who's next. There's still three fights remaining. The rest will all have their turn.

Not that the fans are selfish but the fans feel like their being
cheated with these ready made fights. No doubt Pac is an
exciting fighter and I used to like very much watching him fight
but it's easy to look dominate or exciting against guys who
didn't stand of chance because of the speed difference. No
defense didn't help them either. Pac is an offensive fighter
and plays off of aggression and fighters who come forward.
A thinker in the ring would puzzle Pacquiao. Manny has
problems working his way in. Nobody hates Pac (I don't),
it's just that people are tired of Arum painting this picture
like he is making the best fights possible for the fans but
that is clearly not the case. Arum is running a sound
operation in regards to cashing in.

[LeadUppercut]

Not that the fans are selfish but the fans feel like their being
cheated with these ready made fights. No doubt Pac is an
exciting fighter and I used to like very much watching him fight
but it's easy to look dominate or exciting against guys who
didn't stand of chance because of the speed difference. No
defense didn't help them either. Pac is an offensive fighter
and plays off of aggression and fighters who come forward.
A thinker in the ring would puzzle Pacquiao. Manny has
problems working his way in. Nobody hates Pac (I don't),
it's just that people are tired of Arum painting this picture
like he is making the best fights possible for the fans but
that is clearly not the case. Arum is running a sound
operation in regards to cashing in.

Thats all good and well GRUS, you have made some great points in your last three posts, and I cannot disagree with anything you have said.....
..... except, that I blame Manny's ******ed fan's, as much as I do Arum.

They support that rubbish, they blindly defend the manipulation and cherry-picking, whilst proudly claiming that Manny is the GOAT

They are dishonest ***wits.

It does not matter to them if Manny faces a legitimate opponent, it does not matter to them if Manny manipulates the contract details to gain an unfair advantage, and it does not matter what Manny has to do to win, just as long as he wins.

What is good for boxing, and what is good for Manny's legacy, does not matter to those ******s. Just as long as Manny wins.

I mean jeez, he beat a slow, shop-worn, plodding, mediocre, welterweight, bum, for a JMW title..... and they think that he's David who just slew Goliath.

I just write those clowns off as idiots. I have no respect for them, so will no longer invest time on them..... but you are obviously more patient/diplomatic. Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts onto paper man.

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Thats all good and well GRUS, you have made some great points in your last three posts, and I cannot disagree with anything you have said.....
..... except, that I blame Manny's ******ed fan's, as much as I do Arum.

They support that rubbish, they blindly defend the manipulation and cherry-picking, whilst proudly claiming that Manny is the GOAT

They are dishonest ***wits.

It does not matter to them if Manny faces a legitimate opponent, it does not matter to them if Manny manipulates the contract details to gain an unfair advantage, and it does not matter what Manny has to do to win, just as long as he wins.

What is good for boxing, and what is good for Manny's legacy, does not matter to those ******s. Just as long as Manny wins.

I mean jeez, he beat a slow, shop-worn, plodding, mediocre, welterweight, bum, for a JMW title..... and they think that he's David who just slew Goliath.

I just write those clowns off as idiots. I have no respect for them, so will no longer invest time on them..... but you are obviously more patient/diplomatic. Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts onto paper man.

The truth should be told and revealed no matter who wants to
listen or accept it.

[WESS]

You know how I know Floyd Mayweather Jr is consider a better
fighter than Manny Pacquiao in the eyes of the fans? Even Pac
fans? Because whenever people mentioned Pac should fight
Paul Williams and now Sergio Martinez, he is too small BUT when
people mention Floyd, they say he should fight Williams/Martinez
and that he is ducking them? So Pac is too small to compete,
but Floyd is ducking or should fight the same fighters Pac wants
no part of? Floyd and Manny are in the same division. My point
is, why would someone put Manny over Floyd when Manny can't
even move up to WW and JMW without having a catchweight
but Floyd did both, EFFECTIVELY and won titles at LEGIT WEIGHTS.
Hell, my sig says it all! At first Freddie Roach wanted to make
the fight with Floyd a catchweight? How great is Pac really?

I looked up "GRUSTLER" in the urban dictionary the other day and it reads:

GRUSTLER: FACT - "DESTROYING MOTHER-****ERS ONE QUOTE AT A TIME"