7 day cutoff is reasonable, but year round testing is needed

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

read the book Anabolics by William Llewellyn

watch the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger

if you want the answers

William Llewellyn?

U just dont get it at all! U want me to read a book by a guy who profits from anabolics while he is feeding me how great of a performance enhancer they are? I have never disputed that they work. I think they are BS. And I know they are harmful. U can not solely direct the actions of anabolics to the muscles. There are consequences to that shyt man. Just becuz u like juicing dont make it a good idea.

We watch sports to see who is the best when combining their natural talents with their strategies. Not who has the best PEDs. The fact that we are even having this argument is mind-boggling!

[brick wall]

Well you said this as if it was a fact.

How do you know that is how it went down? Where did you get that from?

How is that a fact? How is it a fact that Tygart was under their payroll? It sounds like an assumption to me. If it is a fact then you should be able to provide it with facts no?

Even Bat had to come in here and laugh at your accusations as you can see here.

So it wasn't just me who is questioning your "facts"

I don't know, but I guess an argument can be made to really try to compromise to try and get the fight the done. Like Pac went from 30 to 24.

I don't know...

It wasn't, but nobody really came in here saying as if stuff was facts and then fail to provide a link when ask to.

And, I actually liked the argument the TS(Guru) was making. I thought he made a lot of valid points. JMO.

Of course you do, especially when you start claiming facts that nobody has heard of then yes you would need a link...I ask for links all the time when people states things that are fact and haven't heard any. And, when I state something as a fact I have a link to prove it as well.

I tried to break it down as much as I could.

Jealous?

:gay:

it's the same thing as when you talk about fighters of the past. you like to claim that this fighter is greater than this fighter and you pass it on like facts. did you provide even one link for your posts? it's all opinions...everybody does it in forums. i provided logical arguments and you can't dispute so your comeback is to look for quotes and links...gtfoh.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

it's the same thing as when you talk about fighters of the past. you like to claim that this fighter is greater than this fighter and you pass it on like facts. did you even provide even one link for your posts? it's all opinions...everybody does it in forums. i provided logical arguments and you can't dispute so your comeback is to look for quotes and links...gtfoh.

HERE is a life line for u buddy.

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[jrosales13]

it's the same thing as when you talk about fighters of the past. you like to claim that this fighter is greater than this fighter and you pass it on like facts. did you provide even one link for your posts? it's all opinions...everybody does it in forums. i provided logical arguments and you can't dispute so your comeback is to look for quotes and links...gtfoh.

I never really go at it as a fact. Pretty much as my opinion...And, I would compare resumes, accomplishments, so and so...

I never said fact(like you did) and then when was ask for a link I didn't provide it...

[guru]

William Llewellyn?

U just dont get it at all! U want me to read a book by a guy who profits from anabolics while he is feeding me how great of a performance enhancer they are? I have never disputed that they work. I think they are BS. And I know they are harmful. U can not solely direct the actions of anabolics to the muscles. There are consequences to that shyt man. Just becuz u like juicing dont make it a good idea.

We watch sports to see who is the best when combining their natural talents with their strategies. Not who has the best PEDs. The fact that we are even having this argument is mind-boggling!

all pro athletes use some supplements to enhance performace. whether it be creatine, testosterone boosters or pro hormones or something else. the question is what supplements should be legal and what should not? what is the criteria.


yes steroids are harmful, so is anything other drug. every drug commercial you see on tv ends with a long list of possible side effects even if use them correctly, but they are legal.

the documentary cites that year 2 people died as a direct result of steroids compared to the thousands that die from alcohol and tobacco. yet they are legal and steroids is not. even though there are benefits from using steroids and none from alcohol/tobacco

[IMDAZED]

all pro athletes use some supplements to enhance performace. whether it be creatine, testosterone boosters or pro hormones or something else. the question is what supplements should be legal and what should not? what is the criteria.


yes steroids are harmful, so is anything other drug. every drug commercial you see on tv ends with a long list of possible side effects even if use them correctly, but they are legal.

the documentary cites that year 2 people died as a direct result of steroids compared to the thousands that die from alcohol and tobacco. yet they are legal and steroids is not. even though there are benefits from using steroids and none from alcohol/tobacco

This sounds just like the argument I made with someone.

[brick wall]

I never really go at it as a fact. Pretty much as my opinion...And, I would compare resumes, accomplishments, so and so...

I never said fact(like you did) and then when was ask for a link I didn't provide it...

everybody knew it wasn't facts but you pass it on like facts that's what i'm trying to say. so for you to act like some holier than thou is foolishness. it's pretty damn a regular activity for everyone in this forum to post things and act like it's a fact.

[guru]

This sounds just like the argument I made with someone.

yeah, its just a matter of opinion. i feel if an athelete can use other drugs/supplements to enhance themselves then steroids should be allowed too. i doubt there is any 100% natural pro athlete.

[IMDAZED]

yeah, its just a matter of opinion. i feel if an athelete can use other drugs/supplements to enhance themselves then steroids should be allowed too. i doubt there is any 100% natural pro athlete.

Yeah the problem is that the medical field doesn't agree. Quite frankly, I'm not inclined to always agree with them because of what you mentioned as well. Sometimes when I'm watching TV, I can get up, go take a piss and come back and they're still listing the side effects for the latest wonder-drug. That said, as long as it's illegal, I'm all for an athlete's right to clean competition.

[guru]

Yeah the problem is that the medical field doesn't agree. Quite frankly, I'm not inclined to always agree with them because of what you mentioned as well. Sometimes when I'm watching TV, I can get up, go take a piss and come back and they're still listing the side effects for the latest wonder-drug. That said, as long as it's illegal, I'm all for an athlete's right to clean competition.

which leads us back to my original post, if its not year round testing, you can cheat and get away with it.