Comments Thread For: Montiel Says: "I Hope This Time Donaire Doesn't Back Out"

[theplayerpimp]

First off, I don't need to ask Hasegawa because I never said I thought the stoppage was wrong. In fact, I stated clearly, that personally, I thought Hasegawa was "really, really" out of it. I merely mentioned that it was conroversial in Japan at the time that it happened because people at ringside focused on the timing of the stoppage. I don't rreally blame some Japanese on their insistence that the fight should not have been stopped in spite of the broken jaw. A number of fighters, many of them greats, won while nursing broken jaws in the course of fights. Clearly, however, I don't share that view, as stated in my first post.

Hasegawa, as shown by his impressive string of stoppages in the two years prior to facing Montiel, was never a one-punch KO artist, albeit he had a number of first round stoppages in the period. His first round win over Vusi Malinga illustrates my point. Malinga went down three times in the 1st not by a solitary blow but by accumulation of about two dozen punches

The kid has quick hands and he can punch in combos rather very well, alternating from the body to the head in many instances. It was that hand quickness that got him those stoppages and the edge over Montiel in rounds prior to that (for Hasegawa) lethal exchange. Montiel knew that in an exchange of fluries, his would spell the greater difference. And he was right.

And dont you think that the same result can happen in exchanges with donaire. Montiel really has that one punch power. Donaire doesnt have that he lands quick acurate punches which knocks down his opponents. He hits hard but i dont hink he punches harder. If montiel is able to get in the inside he has a great chance with his short arms and power in both hands.

[tesla_power]

Montiel only took 3 rounds to dispatch Concepcion while Donaire didn't manage a stoppage,and, Donaire stopped Luis Maldonado in 8 while it took Montiel less than half that time (Round 3) to put Maldonado away. Ergo, Montiel is better.

Reasonable conclusion?

If that is so, then there should be no more argument against the propositionn that Pacquiao is better than Mayweather because he stopped Hatton much earlier than Mayweather did and forced a stoppage on Oscar while Floyd only eked out a Split Decision.

But, shouldn't there be?

On Montiel-Hasegawa: Montiel took out Hasegawa in the 4th. True. But, equally true is that Hasegawa had all the previous three rounds in his pocket and was on the way to winning round 4 when, mere seconds towards the round's end, he got caught by a hook that sent him reeling towards the ropes on which he held to as Montiel finished the job. (The stoppage was controversial, at least in Japan, because the bell sounded as the ref stepped in. Many argue that had the ref waited half a second more Hasegawa would have been saved by the bell, recover, and then go on to pile up points as was his custom. Personally, I thought he was really, really out).

To say that Hasegawa's power is mediocre is to be generous; he only has a KO/TKO ratio of 37.5 % (12 KO's in 32 fights). "Poor", perhaps, is the accurate description. Points was very often the way he won. Montiel knew that as did most of those who cared to know about such things. He knew that power was on his side and he can step in through Hasegawa's fluries to drop bombs. But it was not easy. Montiel was wild most times. Until they both landed a power shot each, simultaneously, thereby proving what everyone knew all along: Montiel packed the lethal punch.

Hasegawa's power lack and the initial rounds of Montiel-Hasegaw reminded me of Montiel-Z Gorres, some two years earlier. Although Gorres had something like a 10% better KO record than Hasegawa, no reasonably independent observer expected Gorres to stop Montiel. If Gorres was to win, it would have to be over the full route. And, it did go to the final bell. But it was Montiel who won by SD, with a good amount of help from Samuel Viruet (the ref).

That was a damn good post sir.

[tesla_power]

And dont you think that the same result can happen in exchanges with donaire. Montiel really has that one punch power. Donaire doesnt have that he lands quick acurate punches which knocks down his opponents. He hits hard but i dont hink he punches harder. If montiel is able to get in the inside he has a great chance with his short arms and power in both hands.

Donaire has above average power in both hands, else that KO of the year would not have happened. Also, judging by his performance this weekend, he has carried it well to the higher division. And IMO, he has better boxing than Montiel.

Donaire does not show much tendency to be careless unless he is going in for the kill... add that to advantages in height and reach. Remember, Montiel is the same height as Vladimir. IMO, that stiff jab will keep him in bay for roughly 70% of the time. Montiel needs to make every chance count.

[grayfist]

And dont you think that the same result can happen in exchanges with donaire. Montiel really has that one punch power. Donaire doesnt have that he lands quick acurate punches which knocks down his opponents. He hits hard but i dont hink he punches harder. If montiel is able to get in the inside he has a great chance with his short arms and power in both hands.

In any boxing match of this caliber, the possibility is always there. But getting inside Donaire to unleash bombs cannot be a certainty for Montiel. It won't be a walk in the park.

Like you said, "If Montiel is able to get inside" and yes that's an "If". Donaire has shown in many fights including his famed encounter with Darchinyan that he can make people pay as they move in to him. Unlike most of the fighters Montiel has faced to date, Donaire has displayed in many fights punching ability while stepping back (just two examples are the Darchinyan KO and the 2nd KD in the Sidorenko fight).

Bottomline for me: It's a match that has a very high chance of proving itself equal to the expectations of fans, regardless of whose side the fan is on. I am not sure that it shall have degrees of elegance but I anticipate that it shall have lots of displays of power from both sides.

Edit: The Darchinyan KO, by the way, was a one-punch stoppage and Montiel stopped Castillo with a solitary punch to the body.

These, for me, make the match pretty exciting.

[grayfist]

That was a damn good post sir.

Oh, THANKS, bud! Good seeing you again.

[miron_lang]

Montiel Says: "I Hope This Time Donaire Doesn't Back Out"


WTF????!!!


Really? Montiel said that?

Let me remind him and everyone else. Before attacking the author please take note that both fighter are promoted byArum. Many members had posted in this thread so we can really validate what really happened.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17781


Thread : http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=235950

[miron_lang]

Oh, THANKS, bud! Good seeing you again.

Its alway a pleasure reading you posts sir

[prometheuslord]

a note on the donaire-concepcion fight by the way, so people don't forget. donaire came in as a superflyweight while concepcion couldn't make weight and came in as a superbantamweight, which means donaire fought a guy TWO weight divisions above him. if you watch the fight, he outboxed concepcion pretty clearly but couldn't really hurt him, which isn't surprising. i think donaire proved against sidorenko that his punches can do serious damage against a guy his own weight.

against montiel, both fighters came in as bantamweights fair and square, and concepcion got KTFO.

my point is you can't really compare those fights to see who's better. we can't really tell right now who's the better, stronger fighter... which makes their fight in february all the more interesting!

[theplayerpimp]

[QUOTE=grayfist;9739522]In any boxing match of this caliber, the possibility is always there. But getting inside Donaire to unleash bombs cannot be a certainty for Montiel. It won't be a walk in the park.

Like you said, "If Montiel is able to get inside" and yes that's an "If". Donaire has shown in many fights including his famed encounter with Darchinyan that he can make people pay as they move in to him. Unlike most of the fighters Montiel has faced to date, Donaire has displayed in many fights punching ability while stepping back (just two examples are the Darchinyan KO and the 2nd KD in the Sidorenko fight).

Bottomline for me: It's a match that has a very high chance of proving itself equal to the expectations of fans, regardless of whose side the fan is on. I am not sure that it shall have degrees of elegance but I anticipate that it shall have lots of displays of power from both sides.

Edit: The Darchinyan KO, by the way, was a one-punch stoppage and Montiel stopped Castillo with a solitary punch to the body.

These, for me, make the match pretty e

Yeah but you cant campare montiel with darchinyan montiel doesnt just bull rush his opponents like vic does. He has decent skills to get in the inside and there is where he will have the best shot of winning with his bombs. And doniare ko of vic was bc he ran into the shot plus add in donaires speed and power he was out. Montiel has shown it numerous times but yes donaire has power but not as much as montiel. But either way somebody will be koed and it will be a great night of boxing.

[grayfist]

Its alway a pleasure reading you posts sir

Oh, it's you! LOL!!! How're things, pal?