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  • Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
    Barry McGuigan is in...Did Zoo not accomplish more than he did?

    What about Ingemar Johanssen?

    What about Curtis Cokes? Ken Buchanan? Eusobio Pedroza?

    I would say Zoo accomplished just as much as some and more than the others than others that I mentioned...
    Honestly, I don't have a clue about guys like Johanssen.

    But I had to bo back and check to see exactly when Pedroza beat Olivares, And I submit that Zoo doesn't have a win as good as that.

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    • Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
      Considering that he also beat at the time was considered the 2nd best SBW, having 3 lineal titles, being a 4 divisional champ...

      Being the only fighter in history to win the lineal Flyweight championship and the lineal featherweight championship. 2 weight-classes that are from the original 8. Which has over 100 years of history is very impressive...

      I would say yes he was a first ballot HOF'er...WTF?
      IMO quality of opposition and the skill level they held at the time means more than beating fighters on the decline for just a lineal title...

      it appears you are legitimizing his greatness just cuz he got lineal titles.....

      I hope you arent praising the Cotto catchweight win and the margarito title fight farce as well

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      • Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
        Mayweather has made a career of fighting these smaller guys.
        Robert Apodaca- so bummy, doesn't even have a record listed. Where did they find this guy? Skid row? A bit more research finds that RA, the only RA that Floyd could beat on, was in his very first fight at the time he faced Floyd.
        Weights: Mayweather 131 lbs., Apodaca 130 lbs.
        SO

        Reggie Sanders- world beater with a 1-1 record. I think he beat Leon Spinks.
        Weights: Mayweather 131 lbs., Sanders 132.5 lbs.


        Jerry Cooper - 6-3. a step up, but again, as with the two previous champions Floyd faced, it was against smaller men.
        Weights: Mayweather 130 lbs, Cooper 129.5 lbs
        ASO


        Edgar Ayala - another Skid Row Promotions brawler with no record listed. Further research reveals this was his very first fight as well. I think this is the first fight to give a sign of what happens when Floyd steps up his competition. It gets a bit rough, so he lowers the standard for his next opponent, in this case, Edgar Ayala.
        *its been said Ayala was picked because he was a good draw with the LA underpass crowd.

        Weights: Mayweather 133 lbs, Ayala 131 lbs
        ASO


        Kino Rodriguez - This tall guy at 5 feet five and half inches came into the ring as Floyds most regarded and experienced opponent.

        9-9-2 with 3 coming by stoppage or KO.

        Weights: Mayweather 132 Rodriguez 130.
        ASO


        Bobby Giepert - Floyd, feeling invincible after defeating the Kong-like Kino, steps up in talent opposition again to take on the like sized Bobbo with a record of 19-8 (6 losses by KO at that time).

        Weights: Mayweather 132 lbs, Giepert 133 lbs

        *lets give a handclap here folks, he fought someone who finally wasn't smaller.

        Tony Duran - The amazing 12-15 Tony Duran. Amazing in that up to that point, 12 fights ended by stoppage or KO, of Duran, not for!
        Weights: Mayweather 129 Duran 133

        * we like this, Floyd fighting guys similar in stature. Way to go big boy!



        Larry O'shields - all five foot 6 of him with his gaudy and flamboyant record of 12-3-1 with 5 KOs, by him. Floyd getting a bit braver by the fight!
        Weights: Mayweather 132 O'shields 131.75
        ASO



        Jesus Chavez - before you soil your chonies with seminal residue, let me remind you, not that Jesus Chavez, but the 1-13-1 Jesus Chavez. Did I mention that 11 of those 13 losses were by KO or stoppage?
        1-13-1. In case you were wondering, Chavez stood a Godzilla-like 5 foot 5. Well, only if you had the toy.

        Weights: Mayweather 130.5 Chavez 130
        ASO


        Louie Leija - Floyd steps it up big time, in a big way. Slaying the like sized Leija in 2 rounds knocking him down a few times. Heres the downer, and its totally not unlike Floyd,
        but this was after Louie had just suffered a KO loss in his previous fight. Starting to notice some patterns developing. Floyd for some reason, can't stand latino fighters.
        Weights: Mayweather 131 Leija 132




        Felipe Garcia - The "Sears Tower" in boxing, standing in at a whopping 62 inches, here you have an opponent who was 20-18 at the time, but had been the loser in 10 of his previous 13 fights. It took Floyd 6 rounds to KO the midget in denial.

        Weights: Mayweather 133.5 Garcia 130
        ASO


        He wasn't shy about starting it early either.

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        • Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
          Me: I think SRL is better than Floyd.
          Yesir: Floyd's defense is much better and his ring IQ is higher. i think Floyd would outpoint Ray.

          Me: I think SRL is Better than Manny
          Pacdbest: What is Ray gonna do when Manny is throwing 100 power punches per round at his face? Ray got KTFO's by featherfist crossdresser camacho lmao omg

          LMAO..this is awesome....and typical of Pac fans

          & pacDbest is the worst TROLL in the history of Boxing Scene...he's a G.O.A.T....Gayest Of All Trolls

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          • Originally posted by Johnny Chingas View Post
            He wasn't shy about starting it early either.
            Yes. The best gauge of career competition is to look at the first ten opponents.

            Well done, sir.

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            • Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
              Honestly, I don't have a clue about guys like Johanssen.

              But I had to bo back and check to see exactly when Pedroza beat Olivares, And I submit that Zoo doesn't have a win as good as that.
              Olivares was past his prime already. He was on his way out and 2 division higher than where he was at his best. That win was better than Zoo JCC win but I don't know if I would of considered better than the Judah win just cuz of how Judah was perceived at the time and past prime "El Puas" I think it is debatable.

              I mean Zoo for awhile cleaned out the division and beat top rated fighters like Mitchell, Mago, Hurtado, Urkal, Tackie, Pineda, Ruelas, and Leija was also rated...And, only Urkal and Tackie lasted the distance. And, besides Leija and possibly Ruelas every one of those was in their prime... I mean he was a force...

              Pedroza had wins over Olivares, Lockridge, and a prime Laporte(he was washed up when Zoo beat him), Taylor, Kim, and Lastra...

              Eh........I honestly think you can make a case for either fighter to be greater. I think they both accomplish just as much as each other.

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              • Originally posted by Johnny Chingas View Post
                He wasn't shy about starting it early either.
                *sigh*

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                • Originally posted by Cash Cow View Post
                  IMO quality of opposition and the skill level they held at the time means more than beating fighters on the decline for just a lineal title...

                  it appears you are legitimizing his greatness just cuz he got lineal titles.....

                  I hope you arent praising the Cotto catchweight win and the margarito title fight farce as well
                  Barrera was in his prime in the first fight and that is his best win...And, I would also say that Floyd does not have a win better than that Barrera he just doesn't...So whatever the **** ever...

                  The Cotto win was a damn good win and i give him credit for that WTF? Why wouldn't I? Margarito? Eh not so much......

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                  • Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
                    Yes. The best gauge of career competition is to look at the first ten opponents.

                    Well done, sir.
                    I wonder how he would feel about the bums pac was fighting in his first 20 fights....

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                    • Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                      I never understood this. Do you seriously believe Manny works harder than every other boxer in the gym or something? The guy who shows up weeks late, takes days off during camp, changes his conditioning program, films movies, does karaoke, doesn't heed trainer commands...yet they still expect people to believe he has this oh so incredible regimen that allows him to do all of that and show up in incredible condition. And you wonder why people are su****ious.

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