Richard SCHAEFER in the Steroid Lawsuit: "PACQUIAO's Head Has Gotten Bigger".

[PainKiller]

Yes...Ali. That's exactly the problem. Did you see Diego Corrales against Joshua Clottey? Marquez-Mayweather? Notice something?

Oh, and don't neglect my previous post. I would like to know what "evidence" in Pacquiao's favor that I'm ignoring.

But isn't Floyd very toned at 130 and 150 vs Oscar?

Some boxers are physically gifted.

[Doctor_Tenma]

But isn't Floyd very toned at 130 and 150 vs Oscar?

Some boxers are physically gifted.

How long did it take?

[PainKiller]

True he moved up slower and fought more, but does that mean Pac is on drugs then that his transition period was quick

[Mr. Philadel]

I had missed the details from the depositions:


Schaefer declaration
In a three-page declaration, Schaefer told the court that in late 2009 and early 2010, he and other GBP officers as well as Floyd Mayweather Jr. advisor, Al Hayman, engaged in negotiations for a proposed March 2010 bout between Mayweather and Pacquiao.

The parties were in agreement on all major financial terms and drug testing was the only issue left on the table. The Mayweathers had severe concerns about the possibility that Pacquiao had been using illegal PEDs in connection with his more recent fights.

These concerns arose from a number of factors, including the fact that it is highly unusual for a professional boxer to fight at heavier weights during his career and maintain the same level of power in his punches and ability to withstand hard punches from bigger opponents.

Yet, as Pacquiao has moved up in weight by 40 pounds (itself an extraordinary feat) during his career, he has become more powerful and more impervious to blows by his opponents.

For example, in prior fights against much smaller opponents such as Juan Manuel Marquez and Marco Antonio Barrera, Pacquiao was unable to score knock-outs and was at times stunned by their punches.

Yet, in his recent fights against physically bigger and much more powerful fighters – like Oscar de la Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto – Pacquiao has scored devastating knockouts (or technical knockouts). In addition, he has survived devastating punches by his opponents with no apparent effect.

Pacquiao’s head has grown
In addition, as shown by a comparison of Pacquiao’s pictures from his early career and today, it is clear that the size of his head has grown and his body has become far more muscular. As shown by March 25, 2010 "Judd Burstein Declaration," these changes are often associated with the use of PEDs.

In the light of these concerns, Schaefer said he consulted with the United States Anti-Doping Agency “to determine the most effective way to ensure that the Pacquiao-Mayweather bout would be a clean affair."

Based upon these conversations, the Mayweather camp insisted that both fighters agree to the same drug testing imposed upon the United States Olympic Team: i.e. random blood and urine testing up to at least 48 hours before the bout.

Although Mayweather readily agreed to these procedures, Pacquiao and his representatives refused. Pacquiao only agreed to three scheduled blood test: 1.) upon the signing of the contracts for the bout; 2.) 30 days before the bout; and 3.) immediately after the fight.

Schaefer said, “Pacquiao’s refusal to submit to effective drug testing only served to increase the Mayweather team’s concerns that Pacquiao has been using PEDs."

Schaefer said he was included in the lawsuit along with De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions when the “Amended Complaint alleges that, in September 2009, I told Philippine reporter Ronnie Nathanielsz – a reporter whom Pacquiao himself has accused of ‘fabricating horrible tales and putting words into the mouths of people he has not even talked to’ that I was 'sure Pacquiao was using PEDs.'"

He described such allegation as “absolute falsehood," saying, “if I had made the alleged statement to Nathanielsz, he (Nathanielsz) surely would have published it, which he did not."

...so they're REALLY goin' through with this lawsuit bs....wow!! LOL

[OpaiSoma]

Another reason why JMM vs Pac will not happen.

[Doctor_Tenma]

True he moved up slower and fought more, but does that mean Pac is on drugs then that his transition period was quick

I would say Pacquiao looked more natural at 147 against Oscar, than Mayweather did against Mitchell. Dead serious...

[Gutz]

Ripped at the weigh in or not?

At the lower weights, he was way more ripped.

He is more muscular now, in terms of size though.

He has more definition.




More body fat IMO.

Margocheato.. looks more ripped then Pac.. so does Bradley.. and Khan work with Ariza also.. yet no one is saying they are on Peds..


All this thread is a way to discredit Pac.. Fooking sad really...

[IMDAZED]

But isn't Floyd very toned at 130 and 150 vs Oscar?

Some boxers are physically gifted.

You're talking about a four-year difference. Not six months.

[brick wall]

With IMDAZED is not about backing Floyd...He really doesn't.

He just backs OST. And, that is not a bad thing at all. Fans should back OST. And, I know for a fact that IMDAZED was talking about OST before all this Maweather-Pacquiao crap.

IMO is that he doesn't like how team Pac handled the whole thing. Frankly neither do I.

If I was part of Pac team and I personally would of told Mayweather camp to fuck off from the get go. However, accepting at first, then saying they were good with just a 5 day cut off, then changing their mind again and saying blood would weekend him so just wanting blood testing 3 days, and then Arum ****** ass saying Manny is afraid of needles, and then saying Floyd didn't give them a 14 day, then admitting Floyd did give them a 14 day cutoff, just do much flip flopping and lying that made plenty of people and I'm pretty sure IMDAZED as well su****ious...

I honestly think if Pac from the get go would of just said **** off we will not be dictated to...Maybe it would not have been a big issue as it is now. I don't know.

I do assume(maybe that is wrong for me to assume) that IMDAZED does think Pac is on something just cuz of how he handled the whole thing. I disagree with IMDAZED with I think Pac is clean. However, I do respect his opinion and I see where he is coming from. And, he does bring a lot of good points.

Is funny that people accuse IMDAZED as a "*****." But, if you guys read his post when is not a PED issue, you will notice that he has always said that Floyd resume isn't up to par with Roy and Pac. The man has gone as far as saying that Pac has a case to having a greater resume than Roy. And, he is a Roy nuthugger almost as bad as Reed. So he is not Pac hater either.

lol fine...he is not a ***** but an ost fan
the time and effort he spends debating peds and ost is unbelievable...he's obssesed. no difference to a ***** or ******* obssesed with their idols. it's insane...how can you have so much passion about something that you're not even part of. if he's a former fighter who was a victim of cheating you can understand it but this guy is just a fan.

[IMDAZED]

Ok.... Yeah I did... But look, Pac looks like he never dehydrated himself. That is it. Of course he would have added more bulk, who wouldn't having taken out the restriction of not having to make weight but he looks not very different. The point is Corrales Obviously moved up in weight so did Marquez. Pacquiao just did not have to cut it. He looks the same as his rehydrated weight with slightly more bulk, that is it.

Why do you say Pacquiao was the only one who did not have to cut it? Corrales weighed as much as 150 on fight night when he fought in the lower weights. Marquez a junior welter. So that's false.