Am I wrong for suspecting Manny?

[maguirre]

Do you have any evidence to prove your claim?

I have proof but I have no evidence.

[Alibata]

I didn't argue that I know how dope works you weasel weeney. Pay attention or get mommy to help you. I argued using **LOGIC**. Manny got KO'd by **John Doe** as a grown man 3 months shy of his 21st birthday at 113lbs. He then Breaks the face of and brutalizes a big welter who has a great chin and is 8 divisions bigger. Have Conte rebutt my logic and get back.

He gets koed by john doe but not by Morales, Marquez, or Barrera at a higher weight? Ask yourself something, did going up in weight help Manny? Does going up and not having to make a punishing weight make you more durable, more powerful, and have better stamina, etc? If they don't drain themselves is it better for certain fighters? Pacquiao, Cotto, even Donaire (who has not been this devastating at even lighter weights) have shown better at heavier weights. Why? Pac has come in at 140+ at featherweights and is still doing that now... Tell me something, did he really add that much muscle? If you look at his weigh in pics before he was ****** in and now he is not.. Is he just not dehydrated? Tell me this, if you don't have to make weight, are you not going to take advantage of what you were not before and build strength and muscle.. If Manny added 40lbs of muscle like you claim he would not look like he does now, he would look like a jacked up body builder. Manny has put on bulk but not that much. Add to that the fact that Manny did improve his arsenal of punches, his balance, etc. because his training was not just all about making weight. You gotta just get your head out your ass and stop hating.

[VoodooChild]

I didn't argue that I know how dope works you weasel weeney. Pay attention or get mommy to help you. I argued using **LOGIC**. Manny got KO'd by **John Doe** as a grown man 3 months shy of his 21st birthday at 113lbs. He then Breaks the face of and brutalizes a big welter who has a great chin and is 8 divisions bigger. Have Conte rebutt my logic and get back.

Manny got KO'd as a 20 year old while cutting a lot of weight.

From Boxrec: "Pacquiao was a lb over the specified catchweight of 111 lbs. and was penalized by wearing heavier gloves against Torrecampo"

Now 11 years later he is eating 5 meals a day and not draining his body. His speed is what allowed him to tea off on Margarito.

[jack2x]

I didn't argue that I know how dope works you weasel weeney. Pay attention or get mommy to help you. I argued using **LOGIC**. Manny got KO'd by **John Doe** as a grown man 3 months shy of his 21st birthday at 113lbs. He then Breaks the face of and brutalizes a big welter who has a great chin and is 8 divisions bigger. Have Conte rebutt my logic and get back.

now your calling me names....sign of losing your argument?......"logic"(do you have that? still insisting on the past? but then you dont know what transpired in thaT fight.. you dont even know pac's opponent and yet you used that as your argument. pathetic' ....pac got koed by singsurat trying to make weight..he practically drained himself going to the fight thats why he lose..now going back to victor conte stating that it can be done whats pac is doing so what else is there for you not to understand???unless your just slow in comprehending what conte is saying then i pity you.

[jack2x]

Besides, your dumb little Conte said he "believes", which is different from proof.

now your descrediting conte as if your better than conte..oh boy! can't believe that this argument is becoming nonsense with poster like you..

[TheMexHurricane]

He gets koed by john doe but not by Morales, Marquez, or Barrera at a higher weight? Ask yourself something, did going up in weight help Manny? Does going up and not having to make a punishing weight make you more durable, more powerful, and have better stamina, etc? If they don't drain themselves is it better for certain fighters? Pacquiao, Cotto, even Donaire (who has not been this devastating at even lighter weights) have shown better at heavier weights. Why? Pac has come in at 140+ at featherweights and is still doing that now... Tell me something, did he really add that much muscle? If you look at his weigh in pics before he was ****** in and now he is not.. Is he just not dehydrated? Tell me this, if you don't have to make weight, are you not going to take advantage of what you were not before and build strength and muscle.. If Manny added 40lbs of muscle like you claim he would not look like he does now, he would look like a jacked up body builder. Manny has put on bulk but not that much. Add to that the fact that Manny did improve his arsenal of punches, his balance, etc. because his training was not just all about making weight. You gotta just get your head out your ass and stop hating.

He could've got KO'd by John Doe and not Morales, barrera etc cuz his reflexes are faster dumbass. PED's help with reflexes. Of course going up in weight makes you more everything but he's not the only one who's gone up in weight. It's what he's done and how he's done it. Are you that ****ing ****** that you don't get it? He's not the only guy who's ever had to lose weight and then didn't have to anymore because he moved up. @ 113 lbs gets KO'd by John Doe and then brutalizes a big welter with a great chin who's 8 divisions bigger. You gotta just get your head outra your a*s and stop hating. LOL!

[Alibata]

He could've got KO'd by John Doe and not Morales, barrera etc cuz his reflexes are faster dumbass. PED's help with reflexes. Of course going up in weight makes you more everything but he's not the only one who's gone up in weight. It's what he's done and how he's done it. Are you that ****ing ****** that you don't get it? He's not the only guy who's ever had to lose weight and then didn't have to anymore because he moved up. @ 113 lbs gets KO'd by John Doe and then brutalizes a big welter with a great chin who's 8 divisions bigger. You gotta just get your head outra your a*s and stop hating. LOL!

So now he has been on Peds since Barrera.... I thought it was from Ariza and his shakes... LOL... You guys are funny. Probably from Ledwaba days because ledwaba was head and shoulders better then the john does. Hahahahahahaha!!! Dang Manny got the best people in the biz helping him...He wasn't no millionare when he fought Barrera or Ledwaba or even Marquez.. I guess the best Peds people are a bargain if you know where to go. By the way, your nuts.

[TheMexHurricane]

now your calling me names....sign of losing your argument?......"logic"(do you have that? still insisting on the past? but then you dont know what transpired in thaT fight.. you dont even know pac's opponent and yet you used that as your argument. pathetic' ....pac got koed by singsurat trying to make weight..he practically drained himself going to the fight thats why he lose..now going back to victor conte stating that it can be done whats pac is doing so what else is there for you not to understand???unless your just slow in comprehending what conte is saying then i pity you.

Dude, Pac isn't the only fighter who's had to make weight and then didn't have to when they moved up. It's what he's done and how he's done it-- he gets KO'd by John Doe at 113 lbs as a grown man 3 months shy of his 21st birthday and then he brutalizes and breaks the face of a welter who has a great chin who's 8 divisions bigger. That's not possible. You're non-answers have done *ZERO* to explain that. *ZERO*. LOL!

[Alibata]

Dude, Pac isn't the only fighter who's had to make weight and then didn't have to when they moved up. It's what he's done and how he's done it-- he gets KO'd by John Doe at 113 lbs as a grown man 3 months shy of his 21st birthday and then he brutalizes and breaks the face of a welter who has a great chin who's 8 divisions bigger. That's not possible. You're non-answers have done *ZERO* to explain that. *ZERO*. LOL!

Pac was more weight drained then DLH when he got koed... He was weight drained against barrera, morales, and marquez. If you don't know now you know nicca.

[TheMexHurricane]

So now he has been on Peds since Barrera.... I thought it was from Ariza and his shakes... LOL... You guys are funny. Probably from Ledwaba days because ledwaba was head and shoulders better then the john does. Hahahahahahaha!!! Dang Manny got the best people in the biz helping him...He wasn't no millionare when he fought Barrera or Ledwaba or even Marquez.. I guess the best Peds people are a bargain if you know where to go. By the way, your nuts.

I am nuts, but Pac is still obviously on PED's-- and you did nothing to show he's not.