Floyd Fans Give Up

[The Gambler1981]

I just don't get your opinion as with most people in this thread. if Floyd isn't fighting whatever he isn't fighting, this is not a sport of longevity so it is better to enjoy what you get instead of demanding the impossible or what will never be reality.

Anyone who expects and demands that either guy who both started below lightweight to go take on the middleweight champ, go check history and see how many times a former lightweight has beat the middleweight champ, and don't make ****** requests.


That is my whole problem with people in relation to both guys, is a matter of expectations. I think Floyd and to a lesser extent Manny are both capable of a great deal but I know there are limits (including time which is rapidly creeping up on both men) most people place expectations on these guys that are so high and unreasonable that it is laughable. SO instead of enjoying what goes on, people are greedy and always want more incapable of accepting that there is a limit to even greatness.

I am still not going to listen to bullshit that isn't true or factual about Floyd and will be happy when I get to see him in the ring again.

[The Gambler1981]

I wasn't referring to height and reach as obviously Floyd is bigger in that sense. I was actually talking about fight night weight as Ricky supposingly was 152 and Floyd under 150.

But your right....I'm probably wrong on that one as that is nothing but speculation since there was no official fight night weight released by HBO.

Also with Floyd.....I'm not saying he has the best or even top 5 resume's in boxing. When I say better I mean around top 10 or so....which IMO is decent when you look at all the other world champs and elite fighters out there.

I was just pointing that out because most claim Floyd is a ducker/cherry picker....which may or may not be true...but his resume is a lot better than what most would like to admit.

If you don't consider him top two what other guys has been fighting at a championship level for more than a decade without a loss, with that amount of current, future or past champions on their dossier.

Aside from Manny which I will give you name three more, Hopkins? Jones? Wlad? Vitali? JMM? Mosley? Toney? I would argue none of those guys have anything on Floyd to a real degree anyways.

[Cash Cow]

Berto Sparks Pacquiao @ 147.

the same Berto who went life & death with the southpaw Collazo?

[Khalid X]

If you don't consider him top two what other guys has been fighting at a championship level for more than a decade without a loss, with that amount of current, future or past champions on their dossier.

Aside from Manny which I will give you name three more, Hopkins? Jones? Wlad? Vitali? JMM? Mosley? Toney? I would argue none of those guys have anything on Floyd to a real degree anyways.

Actually I agree with you. Someone posted that Manny cherry picks and takes on easy opponents so I asked them to name 5 active fighters with a better resume in there last 7 fights than Manny.

The only names I could think of were Froch and when I was looking at Floyd's resume, I noticed that as much as people complain about him....not a lot of active fighters have a resume as good as his.

[al-Xander]

That is my whole problem with people in relation to both guys, is a matter of expectations. I think Floyd and to a lesser extent Manny are both capable of a great deal but I know there are limits (including time which is rapidly creeping up on both men) most people place expectations on these guys that are so high and unreasonable that it is laughable. SO instead of enjoying what goes on, people are greedy and always want more incapable of accepting that there is a limit to even greatness.

Right on.

I have said this in one of my earlier posts. I'd rather see fights
where both fighters are of or nearly the same height. Fights where
2 fighters have significant height difference belong in circuses and
carnivals. But idiots and haters in these forums just don't get it. Of
course, we all want to see fighters who we hate lose. But at what point
is it going to end? They would lose eventually. Floyd and Pac might as well
fight the Klitschko brothers. The bar is too high for these two fighters.

[The Gambler1981]

Actually I agree with you. Someone posted that Manny cherry picks and takes on easy opponents so I asked them to name 5 active fighters with a better resume in there last 7 fights than Manny.

The only names I could think of were Froch and when I was looking at Floyd's resume, I noticed that as much as people complain about him....not a lot of active fighters have a resume as good as his.

Makes sense, I agree. I don't know if I agree about Froch but hard to knock Froch's recent run of opposition in the slightest.

[The Gambler1981]

Right on.

I have said this in one of my earlier posts. I'd rather see fights
where both fighters are of or nearly the same height. Fights where
2 fighters have significant height difference belong in circuses and
carnivals. But idiots and haters in these forums just don't get it. Of
course, we all want to see fighters who we hate lose. But at what point
is it going to end? They would lose eventually. Floyd and Pac might as well
fight the Klitschko brothers. The bar is too high for these two fighters.

Yep, both guys have climbed high enough to where they are no longer big for their class. To me you can't ask more than that.

It should be common sense really. If someone wants to try and do the impossible cool, but to require it come on now.

[Khalid X]

Makes sense, I agree. I don't know if I agree about Froch but hard to knock Froch's recent run of opposition in the slightest.

Im just saying Froch is up there.

Dirrell
Taylor
Pascal
close loss to Kessler
Abraham
Reid

Again this is all within his last 7 fights and I'm not comparing career vs career. People claimed both Manny and Floyd are cherry picking their recent fights....so I figured let's compare their last seven fights to everyone else and see if that is true.

I found out it's not, and even guys like Williams, B-Hop, Martinez and others take on terrible fighters but everyone turns a blind eye.

If Manny and Floyd take on a weaker opponent, then all hell breaks loose.

[Steven Adams]

Its an elite collection, but not really....

Oscar De La Hoya ventures were both big fights and Oscar was still elite, but no one turns down a fight with De La Hoya, cause even if you lose the profile and money you receive just for fighting him.......

Vernon Forrest was considered just the other champion when Mosley fought him, people recognized that he had tools and skills in the ring, but who had he really proven it against? Mosley pretty much made Forrest career.

Winky Wright was much like Vernon Forrest just an above average career pre-Mosley (best performance was against Vargas), he had a better career than Forrest post Mosley, but Mosley didn't have a crystal ball to predict that Wright would blow up and become big. So you can't say Mosley was taking on some sort of tour de force at the time.

Vargas was pretty much crap post De La Hoya.

Cotto chose Mosley as a stepping stone fight as much as Shane chose Cotto. That was more of a mutual decision.

I will give him credit for Margarito.

Mayweather chose Mosley coming off the failed negotiations with Pac. Credit to Mosley for accepting, but its not like he picked the fight, or was in much of a position to turn it down. I know Shane did some barking, but he was considered to be on vacation post-Margarito.

I disagree, Mosely has fought 'more' elite fighters than most still.. however your entitled to your opinion on his opponents.

[The Gambler1981]

Im just saying Froch is up there.

Dirrell
Taylor
Pascal
close loss to Kessler
Abraham
Reid

Again this is all within his last 7 fights and I'm not comparing career vs career. People claimed both Manny and Floyd are cherry picking their recent fights....so I figured let's compare their last seven fights to everyone else and see if that is true.

I found out it's not, and even guys like Williams, B-Hop, Martinez and others take on terrible fighters but everyone turns a blind eye.

If Manny and Floyd take on a weaker opponent, then all hell breaks loose.

Yea that is a fine list from Froch, I guess I could agree with that.


Yea both guys are held to an insane standard, that has been my issue with people dogging Floyd for a long time around here but now Manny is getting the same treatment so I know where you are coming from.