Just watched Calzaghe vs Hopkins again

[johnm is...]

I'd tend to agree that if you have a situation where one person is doing nothing and the other person is at least throwing punches then they deserve the round and there were a rounds that fit into this scenerio. However, in many rounds even though Hopkins had a lower workrate he would land a clean, effective punch for every 5 slaps to the arm and back that Calzaghe threw. To me that's just ineffective aggression if your not landing anything and getting countered in between. Even the clean punches Calzaghe did land were mainly just ineffective arm punches where Hopkins was actually sitting on his shots.

Well, it's not like Calzaghe was landing nothing at all. There were rounds where Hopkins, quite literally, didn't do a damn thing.

I guess it all depends on how you score a fight. How many of of Calzaghe's "slaps" as you put it, equal 1 of Bernard's punches? Give me the guy actually trying to win, over the guy trying to give away rounds.

I appreciate a good counter puncher as much as the next guy, but I just can't see how anyone scored that fight for Bhop.

[djtmal]

Well, it's not like Calzaghe was landing nothing at all. There were rounds where Hopkins, quite literally, didn't do a damn thing.

I guess it all depends on how you score a fight. How many of of Calzaghe's "slaps" as you put it, equal 1 of Bernard's punches? Give me the guy actually trying to win, over the guy trying to give away rounds.

I appreciate a good counter puncher as much as the next guy, but I just can't see how anyone scored that fight for Bhop.

secondzout called it a draw fight, with hopkins getting the decision on the 2-point knockdown, but i can't see where hopkins clearly won 6 rounds in that fight...

[RichCCFC]

I didn't score it either time but Hopkins winning 4 rounds is fair, 5 at a stretch. Any more, I just can't see it without bias, just didn't do enough.

+ the KD point.

[djtmal]

I didn't score it either time but Hopkins winning 4 rounds is fair, 5 at a stretch. Any more, I just can't see it without bias, just didn't do enough.

+ the KD point.

i can't even see it being a draw fight

[βetamax]

Well, it's not like Calzaghe was landing nothing at all. There were rounds where Hopkins, quite literally, didn't do a damn thing.

I guess it all depends on how you score a fight. How many of of Calzaghe's "slaps" as you put it, equal 1 of Bernard's punches? Give me the guy actually trying to win, over the guy trying to give away rounds.

I appreciate a good counter puncher as much as the next guy, but I just can't see how anyone scored that fight for Bhop.

It's a fair question and my answer would vary depending on the round. I just don't buy giving it to the guy "trying to win the round" if they aren't doing anything that meets the scoring criteria. If Hopkins is making Calzaghe miss just about everything and landing some clean counters in between, to me that means Calzaghe is engaging in ineffective aggression while Hopkins is scoring with effective punching and defense. That's boxing. It's not like I gave Hopkins every round as there were some rounds where he basically did nothing and in those type of rounds I'd agree that Calzaghe deserved them for at least pushing the fight.

I've watched this fight more thoroughly then most boxing fans including watching the exchanges in slow-motion. If this is not done it's easy to see Calzaghe as the clear winner as his flurries tend to look more effective then they really were and it's also not easy to tell when Hopkins slips in a punch.

With that said I had Hopkins winning 114-113. There were a couple of close rounds where I don't think it would be outrageous to score them for Calzaghe even though I wouldn't agree but to say that there's no way Hopkins won is just wrong to me.

[The_Demon]

it was a shameful performance from hopkins,all his trash talk before the fight and all he does is clinch and fake low blows like a little sissy

Guess what B-hop,you got beat by a white boy,something he,and his fans,have yet to come too terms with by the looks of it

[Tyson.]

Hopkins was robbed.

The british press and Enzo calzaghe had b-hop winning the fight.

[RichCCFC]

Hopkins was robbed.

The british press and Enzo calzaghe had b-hop winning the fight.

Piss off, idiot.

[johnm is...]

It's a fair question and my answer would vary depending on the round. I just don't buy giving it to the guy "trying to win the round" if they aren't doing anything that meets the scoring criteria. If Hopkins is making Calzaghe miss just about everything and landing some clean counters in between, to me that means Calzaghe is engaging in ineffective aggression while Hopkins is scoring with effective punching and defense. That's boxing. It's not like I gave Hopkins every round as there were some rounds where he basically did nothing and in those type of rounds I'd agree that Calzaghe deserved them for at least pushing the fight.

I've watched this fight more thoroughly then most boxing fans including watching the exchanges in slow-motion. If this is not done it's easy to see Calzaghe as the clear winner as his flurries tend to look more effective then they really were and it's also not easy to tell when Hopkins slips in a punch.

With that said I had Hopkins winning 114-113. There were a couple of close rounds where I don't think it would be outrageous to score them for Calzaghe even though I wouldn't agree but to say that there's no way Hopkins won is just wrong to me.

You shouldn't have to watch the fight in slow motion to determine that Bhop won 114-113.

I don't believe Calzaghe's aggression was ineffective. In fact, I'd say it was MORE effective than 90% of the guys Bhop has faced.

No one looks good against Hopkins, why would we have expected it to be any different for Calzaghe? Of course he didn't look good. And it wasn't pretty. But if we're looking at who did enough to win the fight, and who didn't, I think the choices are clear as day.

[djtmal]

You shouldn't have to watch the fight in slow motion to determine that Bhop won 114-113.

I don't believe Calzaghe's aggression was ineffective. In fact, I'd say it was MORE effective than 90% of the guys Bhop has faced.

No one looks good against Hopkins, why would we have expected it to be any different for Calzaghe? Of course he didn't look good. And it wasn't pretty. But if we're looking at who did enough to win the fight, and who didn't, I think the choices are clear as day.

yup.........