Comments Thread For: Schaefer: Floyd Mayweather is Not on a Pacquiao (Rolex) clock!

[LeadUppercut]

Oh wait, you mean..... when Mayweather insisted that Shane Mosley undertake OST's before their fight, that was just Floyd's way of ducking Mosley?

Because, he knew Shane wouldn't accept those ridiculous demands right ?

Jeez, Mayweather was lucky.....
just imagine if Shane had called his bluff and taken those nasty tests

It is absolutely ridiculous for you to think that the OST request was a duck.

The following "duck" excuses are ALL better than your one..........

FLOYD: " **** off, you're not getting 50% "
FLOYD: " **** off, 10 million per pound overweight is ridiculous "
FLOYD: " **** off, you're not a draw "
FLOYD: " **** off, you've had too many losses "
FLOYD: " **** off..... just **** off "

If Mayweather wanted a way out of that fight, do you really think that he would have accepted 50/50? or that silly 10mil per pound demand?

He would have used one of five excuses, and ALL of them would be better than your one..... because, Manny could have simply taken the test.

* OST's are HARMLESS !!
* OST's will be mandatory within a couple of decades
* OST's are mandatory NOW in ALL top amateur sports

But this is the main point.....
* Currently, if an amateur athlete avoids or obstructs an OST request, they are JUDGED GUILTY, by the sanctioning body, and by the public in general.

THE SAME WILL HAPPEN in a few years, because OST will be mandatory within boxing at that point in time.

In the future, boxing fans will wonder why Manny insisted upon a cutoff date - which will seem bizarre, because.....
a.) there is no such thing as a cut-off date for OST's
b.) EVERYBODY will be taking OST's as per regulation, at that point in time

Tell me guys.....

Team Pacquiao gave a total of 6 ridiculous excuses why Manny would not undertake random blood tests - which is a fkn joke. Requiring 6 different excuses means that none of them were any good, they just didn't want to take blood tests simple as that. The best two excuses were.....
" I am too proud "
" I feel offended "


Floyd was toeing the line..... WHERE THE *** WAS MANNY ?

Guys, tell me..... which one of those 6 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?

[ADP02]

No, Margarito wasn't in Mayweather's division long, Mayweather had three fights at '47 before he jumped to '54 to fight DLH in '07. Mitchell was his first fight at '47. He was already signed to fight Judah who was the undisputed champ at '47, not Margarito, but Judah, who also happened to be a bigger draw. Judah had a lapse but Mayweather would eventually beat the lineal champ Baldomir. Mayweather had been deadset on fighting DLH from the time he turned pro. Why fight Margs when you can fight DLH and get paid?? Why would Pacquiao want to fight Casamayor, Guzman, Campbell, Raheem, Diaz, all guys that wanted to fight Pacquiao, when he can fight DLH and get paid???

The point I've made is that you never posted any links that support your "ducking" theory. It's all just your personal opinion, and that is alright, you're not alone.

What I'm bringing to the table is the fact that you don't follow boxing because for you to question the level of opposition Mayweather has faced just supports my statement.

We seem to be talking about apples and oranges. I clearly stated that we were discussing 147 division and guys such as Cotto, Margarito, Manny .... and so on.

This is what Floyd has to show for since his first match at 147 in late 2005.

Not very impressive considering that one can say that majority of them were better known for what they did in the lower divisions.

As for Mosley, even a majority of Floyd fans now believe that the OLD Mosley of 2010 is not the same as we knew because the possibility of him fighting Manny. As for no-name Baldomir, he won that because he had 1 good year where he beat out a guy who didn't belong at 147 and was way past his prime and in way too many wars, in Gatti and beat out a guy that you admitted, had a lapse in Judah. So that doesn't say much about Baldomir.

Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell

Floyd has been a WW since 2005, if you can't criticize Floyd then you certainly can't criticize Manny's who just joined the WW a couple of years ago.

Kids.

What?

[Ravishing]

He may not be on Pacquiao's clock (or **** lol), but Floyd's without question on Father Time's clock, and that **** don't stop for anyone...Pacquiao included.

[deejd]

We seem to be talking about apples and oranges. I clearly stated that we were discussing 147 division and guys such as Cotto, Margarito, Manny .... and so on.

This is what Floyd has to show for since his first match at 147 in late 2005.

Not very impressive considering that one can say that majority of them were better known for what they did in the lower divisions.

As for Mosley, even a majority of Floyd fans now believe that the OLD Mosley of 2010 is not the same as we knew because the possibility of him fighting Manny. As for no-name Baldomir, he won that because he had 1 good year where he beat out a guy who didn't belong at 147 and was way past his prime and in way too many wars, in Gatti and beat out a guy that you admitted, had a lapse in Judah. So that doesn't say much about Baldomir.

Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell

Floyd has been a WW since 2005, if you can't criticize Floyd then you certainly can't criticize Manny's who just joined the WW a couple of years ago.

What?

We're not talking apples and oranges because you're trying to berate Mayweather's wins while I tend to believe they're legit.

What has Margs accomplished at '47? And Cotto... and PWill that makes them better than Mayweather...? You're nitpicking at Mayweather's resume with personal opinions.

Listen to what you're saying, Mayweather beat small people (somehow Baldomir, DLH, and Hatton are smaller) so by virtue, all big people beat all small people.

Funny how somebody who will go to the grave for Pacquiao would make such statements. I'm not criticizing Mayweather because I happen to know Sharmba and I respect him as a fighter and for posters like you to s--- on him like he's nothing is ignorant. Everybody Mayweather has fought at '47 was given the "okay" by boxing fans. Mayweather was "scared" to fight Mosley and I can guarantee you were on that bandwagon because you just jumped on boxing.

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We're not talking apples and oranges because you're trying to berate Mayweather's wins while I tend to believe they're legit.

What has Margs accomplished at '47? And Cotto... and PWill that makes them better than Mayweather...? You're nitpicking at Mayweather's resume with personal opinions.

Listen to what you're saying, Mayweather beat small people (somehow Baldomir, DLH, and Hatton are smaller) so by virtue, all big people beat all small people.

Funny how somebody who will go to the grave for Pacquiao would make such statements. I'm not criticizing Mayweather because I happen to know Sharmba and I respect him as a fighter and for posters like you to s--- on him like he's nothing is ignorant. Everybody Mayweather has fought at '47 was given the "okay" by boxing fans. Mayweather was "scared" to fight Mosley and I can guarantee you were on that bandwagon because you just jumped on boxing.

Bigger is not my point and I would hope you would understand what I mean. This is about Floyd's opponent selection, non-selection.

Floyd fought, Sharmba, Hatton, Marquez who all 3 had fought their previous fight at below the 147 division. All 3 are not known for their WW achievements because they are all 3 non-147 career fighters. That constitutes half of Floyd's achievements at 147. That should be enough to question the type of risks and 147lb opponents Floyd has fought.

Zab had a name but did not have a stellar 147 record. He too had his success in 140. If you look back, he lost to Spinks, Cotto, Clottey, Baldomir and Floyd at 147.

Baldomir - As I stated previously got his title because of Zab's lacklustre performance (see above) and Gatti was at the end of his career. You admitted it yourself that the only reason Baldomir is even talked about is because of what Zab did or didn't do.

Mosley - Also at the end of his career.


Again, its not about size. It's that Floyd fought these guys that presented little risks as they either had not accomplished much at 147 or they were too far out of their prime.


Now if Floyd would have mixed in an undefeated Cotto, a Margarito and Manny .... or a Williams (preferably 3 of 4 but 2 may have been fine) then believe me, this topic would never come up as it does now. Then you could call those people haters, as you seem to do.

One more thing, I don't think Floyd is scared. He just appears to be over-protective of his precious "0" of late. Way back when that was not his #1 concern so that is why I don't bring up his early days as much .... it is NOT because I hadn't seen Floyd's earlier fights, as you had thought! LOL! I had some heated discussions on those (pre-140-147) as well but that was for an entirely different topic.... and for that one I had to eventually bring up those links to prove my points! lol!

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[GRUSTLER]

Bigger is not my point and I would hope you would understand what I mean. This is about Floyd's opponent selection, non-selection.

Floyd fought, Sharmba, Hatton, Marquez who all 3 had fought their previous fight at below the 147 division. All 3 are not known for their WW achievements because they are all 3 non-147 career fighters. That constitutes half of Floyd's achievements at 147. That should be enough to question the type of risks and 147lb opponents Floyd has fought.

Zab had a name but did not have a stellar 147 record. He too had his success in 140. If you look back, he lost to Spinks, Cotto, Clottey, Baldomir and Floyd at 147.

Baldomir - As I stated previously got his title because of Zab's lacklustre performance (see above) and Gatti was at the end of his career. You admitted it yourself that the only reason Baldomir is even talked about is because of what Zab did or didn't do.

Mosley - Also at the end of his career.


Again, its not about size. It's that Floyd fought these guys that presented little risks as they either had not accomplished much at 147 or they were too far out of their prime.


Now if Floyd would have mixed in an undefeated Cotto, a Margarito and Manny .... or a Williams (preferably 3 of 4 but 2 may have been fine) then believe me, this topic would never come up as it does now. Then you could call those people haters, as you seem to do.

One more thing, I don't think Floyd is scared. He just appears to be over-protective of his precious "0" of late. Way back when that was not his #1 concern so that is why I don't bring up his early days as much .... it is NOT because I hadn't seen Floyd's earlier fights, as you had thought! LOL! I had some heated discussions on those (pre-140-147) as well but that was for an entirely different topic.... and for that one I had to eventually bring up those links to prove my points! lol!

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Davis is right. In all of your posts, you just talk about how
trashy Floyd's opponents were but the majority of them were
world chamipons, undefeated or regarded as the best in the
sport of Boxing at the time. Definitely can tell all of your posts
are personal and you should stop trying to convince us and
yourself that you actually have any knowledge of the
sport because you are failing miserably. Any guy who
spectualtes during a debate when others are presenting
facts should not be taken seriously. Everything me, Lead
and Davis have been posting is for the most part very accurate
and you can go and check it all out if you want to. Can't
say the same for your posts. Just admit that you are a Manny
fan and not a boxing one. Floyd is not even fighting or talking
in the spot light and the whole sport can't stop talking about
him because they know Manny ain't legit until he fights and
beats Floyd. Not the other way around. Floyd was dominating
and #1 when Manny was fighting with only one hand and
getting knocked out from a body punch by a nobody.

Arum, Pac and Roach are calling Floyd out but won't even
agree to one doable test? that should be no problem for
someone as "great" supposedly as Manny is. Manny is the
real one being exposed and no matter how many times you
try to rewrite history or discredit Mayweather's career,
doesn't take away the fact that at this point of Pac's
career that Manny is looking very suspect. How can you
be considered the best, top fighter when in actuality, Floyd
left the title and Pac picked it up because he was still
fighting. He never beat Floyd for it and also all the guys
Floyd fought and beat Pac fought them and I believe that
those fights gave him his superstardom. On top of that!
Manny didn't even want to fight Mosley and Shane begged
for a whole year basically after he beat Margarito and was
the #1 WW. Now all of a sudden after Floyd beats him
and he looks bad against Mora, leaves Golden Boy, Pac
wants him? Just the fact that Arum doesn't want to deal
with Golden Boy and Floyd should show all of Manny's
obsessed fans who has been sabortaging and bull****ting
about the fight. The biggest, most defining fight of his
entire career went out the window because he didn't
want to give blood? Where I am from, we call that being
"PU$$Y". Pac denies the tests, kills the fight and then when
he is training for Clottey, he is talking about Floyd and how he
can beat him? Should have signed on the dotted line and showed
us instead of always mentioning the man. How can I believe
Manny would beat Floyd when below says it all about the
fighters difference in levels......

Manny Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, just
sat down with reporters in the media room. We asked
whether he or Pacquiao was disappointed at all that
the Filipino will be fighting Joshua Clottey, and not Floyd
Mayweather Jr., on Saturday.

"It may have been a little bit of a letdown for him,
because when we were working the mitts,
he'd go into Mayweather mode -- pretending he was
Mayweather, with the hand down and the
shoulder roll and all that," he said. http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo.../freddie-manny

You expect me to believe Floyd is scared of a guy (Pac)
that has to pretend to fight like him to think he has a chance
to beat Floyd? BULL****.

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We seem to be talking about apples and oranges. I clearly stated that we were discussing 147 division and guys such as Cotto, Margarito, Manny .... and so on.

This is what Floyd has to show for since his first match at 147 in late 2005.

Not very impressive considering that one can say that majority of them were better known for what they did in the lower divisions.

As for Mosley, even a majority of Floyd fans now believe that the OLD Mosley of 2010 is not the same as we knew because the possibility of him fighting Manny. As for no-name Baldomir, he won that because he had 1 good year where he beat out a guy who didn't belong at 147 and was way past his prime and in way too many wars, in Gatti and beat out a guy that you admitted, had a lapse in Judah. So that doesn't say much about Baldomir.

Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell

Floyd has been a WW since 2005, if you can't criticize Floyd then you certainly can't criticize Manny's who just joined the WW a couple of years ago.

Floyd's career at WW was/is better than Manny Pacquiao's hands
down. Judah (Former Undisputed WW champion), Baldomir (Lineal
champion), Shane Mosley (#1 WW). What has Manny Pacquiao
done at 147? Dude couldn't even fight a legit fighter (Miguel Cotto)
for his title at the full WW limit. Pac is just an exciting fighter and
that's what people like and respect the most about him because he
fights all out BUT his fights above 130 were all set up to make him
look dominate with exception to Oscar because no one thought how
he could handle the move up to WW. Just for you tying to discredit
Judah and Baldomir shows that you are not a boxing fan but rather
an opinionated person who doesn't like Floyd. How can you bash,
the Lineal champion, when even the guy you say Floyd ducked looked
at him as a threat for Floyd?.....

"The only two threats I see at 147 pounds are Mayweather and Baldomir," Margarito recently told ESPN.com over brunch in Las Vegas. He will have, he said, a rooting interest Saturday night.

This is for the people that keep saying $8MIL for Antonio Margarito was SO MUCH for PBF to refuse:

On July 22, Baldomir knocked out fan favorite Arturo Gatti to cement his place as a legitimate champion rather than a one-fight aberration. Promoter Dan Goossen then stepped in to table a deal that contained enough money to make both sides happy (reportedly matching the $8 million Mayweather had been offered by Arum to fight Margarito), paving the way for Saturday's fight.

Here are some more thoughts from the 147 pound division in regards
to Mayweather/Baldomir since you guys SWEAR that everyone thought
it was SO EASY for PBF.

"Mayweather should be the favorite," Margarito said, "but Baldomir's a dangerous fighter. We'll see."

"It's a good fight," Williams said. "They're calling it 'Pretty Risky.' To me, it's a toss-up. It don't matter who you're in the ring with, it only takes one punch to change the whole night around."

"My heart is going toward Mayweather on a decision."
-- Cintron
"My heart is going toward Mayweather on a decision," he said. "It's going to be a tough fight for him, but I think he's going to pull it off. I just think that Baldomir's toughness is going to take him through to the end of the fight."

"Like I said, it's a pick 'em," added Smith, although he marginally favors the underdog. "As the fight gets gritty, toward the later rounds, the championship rounds, I'd have to lean toward the bigger guy."

Haven't heard anyone talk about Manny opponents like
that in a looooooonnnnngggg time.

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In all of your posts, you just talk about how
trashy Floyd's opponents were but the majority of them were
world chamipons, undefeated or regarded as the best in the
sport of Boxing at the time.

I ONLY agree with up until he fought Jose Luis Castillo... BUT ANYTHING AFTER such as:

Zab Judah? Baldomir? Sharmba Mitchell? Gatti?

These guys were all the best? You honestly ****in believe that?

christ sakes, the Mayweather d*** sucking is getting out of hand....

Lemme guess you consider f** Henry Bruseles a top 10 ATG too huh?

[deejd]

Davis is right. In all of your posts, you just talk about how trashy Floyd's opponents were but the majority of them were
world chamipons, undefeated or regarded as the best in the
sport of Boxing at the time. Definitely can tell all of your posts
are personal and you should stop trying to convince us and
yourself that you actually have any knowledge of the
sport because you are failing miserably. Just admit that you are a Manny
fan and not a boxing one. Floyd is not even fighting or talking
in the spot light and the whole sport can't stop talking about
him because they know Manny ain't legit until he fights and
beats Floyd. Not the other way around.


You expect me to believe Floyd is scared of a guy (Pac)
that has to pretend to fight like him to think he has a chance
to beat Floyd? BULL****.

Which is why I'm not addressing this guy anymore. The kid has zero knowledge of boxing prior to '08.

We all remember what happened to the last fighter that mimicked Mayweather in an attempt to mock him during their training...

GIFSoup

[GRUSTLER]

I ONLY agree with up until he fought Jose Luis Castillo... BUT ANYTHING AFTER such as:

Zab Judah? Baldomir? Sharmba Mitchell? Gatti?

These guys were all the best? You honestly ****in believe that?

christ sakes, the Mayweather d*** sucking is getting out of hand....

Lemme guess you consider f** Henry Bruseles a top 10 ATG too huh?

Another hater revealed. Tell me who has Manny
Pacquiao fought since leaving 130 that was even
remotely regarded as a top fighter in the sport of
boxing? David Diaz? Weak champ. Oscar, Hatton?
Mayweather beat them. Cotto? That was a catchweight
fight. Clottey? PLEASE (Haven't won anything significant).
Antonio Margarito? Cheater, KO'd in the same night but
still a catchweight fight for Pac. Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir
and Gatti were all champions in the division(s). Anyone
could have fought them and would have been given props.
Cotto was supposed to fight Gatti AFTER Mayweather.
Cotto fought Zab after Mayweather and people still to
this day, consider that one of Cotto's best wins. Come
on man! Stop with the Bull****. Not saying everyone
Floyd fought was the best or toughest but they carried
the best or title with them when Floyd was fighting. Cotto,
Margarito, Williams were all relatively unknown. arum was
protecting Cotto like he does most of his fighters and Margarito
was ducking his mandatory Paul Williams. Get out of here with
this d*** talk, man up and debate like foreal about the
sport and not a silly kid talking like a *****. Pac didn't
even want anything to do with Mosley who was the top
guy in the WW division where Pac was supposedly
dominating. Mofo acting like I'm making this up.
Case closed.