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which country breeds the best boxers
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostPer capita, one might have to go with Puerto Rico. There are nearly four million Puerto Ricans on the island and four million in the mainland United States. (P.R. is a U.S. territory, a commonwealth, not an independent country. But, let's face it, most people tend to view it as a country. For the sake of this discussion, I think it's appropriate.) So many past and present champions from such a small population is impressive.
Panama might rival P.R. for the crown, though. There are only a little over three million people in Panama and only about 120,000 live in the U.S. That's less than half the number of Puerto Ricans living in the United states and their native land.
Although Mexico produces great and legendary fighters, the population of that country is over 108 million, second only to Brazil as the most populous Latin American country. There are more Mexicans -- not even counting those in the U.S. -- than Puerto Rico, Panama, Colombia (#3), Argentina (#4) and Cuba, combined. On a per capita basis, Mexico can't even be mentioned in the argument.
Cuba has produced some great professional fighters in the past, but has been limited to mainly amateur greatness since 1959, when Castro took power. If we're talking about amateur boxing success (per capita), there's no contest, Cuba is the juggernaut. As for their professional success? Cubans have only recently started to make themselves known again in the pro ranks, with all the defections of the past few years, so the jury is still out....
Over in Europe:
There are about 51 million people in England, almost 60 million Italians, 82 million Germans, 46 million Ukrainians and 142 million Russians, just to name a few of the better known boxing countries. It's probably safe to say that none of these lands can make a good argument for "Per Capita Champion of Boxing."
Ireland has a relatively small population -- a little over 4 million people. They might be a contender, along with P.R. and Panama. But it's tough to gauge the influence of Irish-ancestry boxers living in the United States, since the Irish have been immigrating to the U.S. for hundreds of years.
For the sake of making this long post a little shorter, I'll pick one obvious representative for Asia....
The Philippines has a population of over 92 million people, claiming more than forty current and former world champion boxers. That's a nice showing. But does it sound like a great per capita ratio?
Historically, the United States can certainly claim the highest number of great boxers. But, per capita, that's probably not the case, with a population exceeding 310 million(!) people.
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In no particular order...
North/Central America:
USA
Mexico
PR
Cuba
Canada
Panama
DR
South America:
Argentina
Colombia
Venezuela
Europe:
UK
Ukraine
Germany
Russia
Poland
Italy
France
Asia/Pacific:
Australia
Japan
Thailand
Indonesia
Philippines
Africa:
South Africa
Ghana
It's hard to say because you also have a lot of fighters that relocate to a new country of residence. A lot of African fighters end up moving to Australia, France, and the US. Alot of Eastern European fighters end up in Germany and Canada. And a lot of latino fighters end up in the US. Cubans in Florida, Mexicans in the southwest, and Caribbean fighters in the North East and Canada.
If I had to rank them for the talent that's out there right now I would say
1. Mexico
2. USA
3. UK
4. Germany
5. Puerto Rico
6. Ukraine
7. Japan
8. Argentina
9. South Africa
10. Poland
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UK breeds alot of diverse fighters; Whites (Hatton, Calzaghe), Blacks (Lennox, Haye), Asians (Naseem, Khan)...
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Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostCompared to the population of the country
I would say Puerto Rico
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Originally posted by TheMexHurricane View PostI recently became aware that the ****** Islands surpasses Puerto Rico for more champs per capita. Puerto Rico is very dissapointing in that it doesn't have a fighter who's higher in Ring's top 80 fighters in the last 80 years. It get's beat by Mexico many times over and is even surpassed by Panama(Duran), Argentina(Monzon, Pascual Perez), Nicaragua(Arguello), Japan(Harada), many Italians, Africans, lots of white boys, etc. Alot of very good PR fighters but not great ones-- at least great ones that rank higher. I think Felix Trinidad ranks highest but doesn't rank in the top 50 and De La Hoya came way up into his 4th division and beat him. Puerto Rico has the lowest quality of fighters in regards to champions among ATG's.
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