Who is greater Erik Morales or Oscar De La Hoya.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I think you just flat out don't like DLH.
You are being biased without any concrete foundation for it.
Do you just not like his style?
Can you not just not handle the fact that DLH is a Legend?

He doesn't. It's like talking to the wall. One thing I do respect him on is that at least he admits it.

[jrosales13]

Bro, judging Oscar like that is like judging Pac for most of his resume. Out of prime boxers.

I'm not saying he ruined them, that doesn't even matter, what matters is that he won against them. Hence big fights, which most of you all judge Oscar for losing his so called big fights.

You can judge Pac for that but Pac still has a prime Barrera and JMM in his resume what prime fighters tha Oscar has that are as good as those 2? Both still had a nice run after losing those fights to Pac.

[jrosales13]

I think you just flat out don't like DLH.
You are being biased without any concrete foundation for it.
Do you just not like his style?
Can you not just not handle the fact that DLH is a Legend?

I do hate Oscar and? I don't like the dude but what is your point?

This is the argument you guys are making Oscar is greater... Ok how? What prime fighters did he beat that are better than the prime fighters that Morales beat? Did Oscar past his prime accomplish what Morales did past his prime? Did Oscar in any weight-class leave the status that Morales did at 122?

And, you guys argument and the answers to those questions is.....Jro you just hate Oscar so blah blah blah...

And, the reason cuz deep down if you really followed both careers closely you would know Morales is the greater fighter.

Props to Oscar for bringing in the casual fans and all that but being a bigger draw, crossover star doesn't really make you an all time great.

[jrosales13]

Old DLH gave Floyd a run for his money. Imagine a prime DLH on that panic stricken tourist?

He gave Floyd a run for his money by winning 3, 4 if you're generous.

[Bastian Loc]

Why do people hate on DLH so much? How can you spite someone who is part responsible for the sport we all enjoy today?

What did he do exactly?

Bilk hbo out of a ton of money?? Boxing was there before and is fine after he's gone.

The only thing he helped was himself.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I do hate Oscar and? I don't like the dude but what is your point?

This is the argument you guys are making Oscar is greater... Ok how? What prime fighters did he beat that are better than the prime fighters that Morales beat? Did Oscar past his prime accomplish what Morales did past his prime? Did Oscar in any weight-class leave the status that Morales did at 122?

And, you guys argument and the answers to those questions is.....Jro you just hate Oscar so blah blah blah...

And, the reason cuz deep down if you really followed both careers closely you would know Morales is the greater fighter.

Props to Oscar for bringing in the casual fans and all that but being a bigger draw, crossover star doesn't really make you an all time great.

Ok I'll bite just this once. How you say?? Well he did beat Hernandez & Gonzalez before even 25 fights. Gonzalez was a top 10 P4P fighter at the time. I don't remember about Hernandez though. Hernandez went on to dominate still till Mayweather came along. Again, these were early in Oscar's career.

Other quality prime boxers were Quartey, Vargas(yes even after the Tito beating he was still good), Gatti.

I don't see how Morales' wins equal as good as some of Oscar's top wins like,
Ruelas W
Hernandez W
Chavez 1 & 2W
Gonzalez W
Whitaker W
Camacho W
Quartey W
Gatti W
Vargas W

Just one Pacquiao, Barrera fight doesn't even add to the same as this. I know Morales has other wins like Jones, McCollugh or however you spell it, that asian guy Chi, and others. If people are giving Morales props for Zaragoza then they better give the same props to Oscar then.

Forgot about my boy Ayala.

One more thing, if Oscar wasn't great then why only one person in Pac was able to do more titles in 6 divisions? I mean if it is so easy, why isn't everyone doing it but a great fighter?
Here comes the WBO excuse.

I'm done.
Off to bed.

[SNVDoublePunch!]

ODLH is the better fighter, and the more accomplished fighter. For those that say Oscar lost all his big fights...that's plain silly. He had two clear losses in his entire career, and had around twenty wins in title fights, and around twenty wins against other world champions. He actually went undefeated in his first three championship weight classes. If you started watching boxing five years ago, maybe you can't comprehend this. I don't know. I don't even like the man but let's use a little context. If you want to use losses later on in his career, then let's talk about how Morales lost to Raheem-a guy of the caliber that Oscar never lost to. Or how Morales is 2-4 against MAB and Pacquiao.

[JDezi4]

I'd put Barrera over DLH, but not Morales. But I couldn't argue with anyone who did.

Even in his losses, u got to see where he was at as a fighter.
He schooled Tito, win or lose, he made Tito look pathetic. He gave the Mosley that was knockin people out at lightweight a great fight fighting in Mosley's style. The second fight showed how multidimensional he could be. He gave BHop more trouble than most of BHop's opponents at middleweight, including Tito. He's the only person ever to beat Floyd on a scorecard. And... Okay well he was dehydrated as well as being shot.

Not to mention, he made all these guys famous. Barrera made Morales famous.

[jrosales13]

Ok I'll bite just this once. How you say?? Well he did beat Hernandez & Gonzalez before even 25 fights.

So you're saying a prime Hernandez and Gonzalez is as good as a prime Pac and Barrera? Cool...

Gonzalez was a top 10 P4P fighter at the time.

No he was not P4P top 10 at the time... Well not by The Ring anyways. What P4P list are you going by?

Here is the The Ring rankings of P4P top 10 at the time Oscar fought Mago.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Oscar De La Hoya
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Junior Jones
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Terry Norris
9. Evander Holyfield
10.Mark Johnson

I don't remember about Hernandez though. Hernandez went on to dominate still till Mayweather came along. Again, these were early in Oscar's career.

Yea good fighter, what was his record again at LW?

Other quality prime boxers were Quartey, Vargas(yes even after the Tito beating he was still good), Gatti.

Gatti? really? At WW? Is sad that you have to stoop that low.

I don't see how Morales' wins equal as good as some of Oscar's top wins like,
Ruelas W
Hernandez W
Chavez 1 & 2W
Gonzalez W
Whitaker W
Camacho W
Quartey W
Gatti W
Vargas W

Just one Pacquiao, Barrera fight doesn't even add to the same as this. I know Morales has other wins like Jones, McCollugh or however you spell it, that asian guy Chi, and others. If people are giving Morales props for Zaragoza then they better give the same props to Oscar then.

Forgot about my boy Ayala.

One more thing, if Oscar wasn't great then why only one person in Pac was able to do more titles in 6 divisions? I mean if it is so easy, why isn't everyone doing it but a great fighter?
Here comes the WBO excuse.

I'm done.
Off to bed.

You can also throw in Chavez and Hernandez wins at 130 and I mean if we want to throw in the names of Gatti and Camacho.. Then we can also throw in Kevin Kelly for Morales.

Anyways, Oscar never beat anybody that was on their prime that were as good as Pac and Barrera was.