How do you rank the 168s?

[THE REED]

i dont get how froch can be #1 kess has to be rated above froch

Knocked out Jermain Taylor
Beat Andre Dirrell
Shut out Arthur Abraham
Beat Pascal

Kessler sc****d by Froch, and got stopped against Ward

He has a close win over Froch, but it doesn't outweigh Froch's victories.

[Rick Grimes]

It's not possible to put Froch over Kessler. It's not that long ago they fought.

A close fight, that could have been scored to Froch.

[BattlingNelson]

how is steiglitz over andrade ... librado knock that guy the **** out when they fought

True. But since then Andrade lost to Bute and Stieglitz has had a couple of good wins against very good opposition including Karoly Balszay.

That said you could switch them and that'd be ok with me.

[-Boxzilla-]

Knocked out Jermain Taylor
Beat Andre Dirrell
Shut out Arthur Abraham
Beat Pascal

Kessler sc****d by Froch, and got stopped against Ward

He has a close win over Froch, but it doesn't outweigh Froch's victories.

jermain taylor isnt a good win, hes dont nothign at 168
aa has not wins at 168 except by then an even more shop worn 160lb jt so hes not ranked high for me either
pascal has no real good wins at 168 either

the dirrell win i get

but froch got beat beat by kess, that has to be reflected in teh rankings

[THE REED]

If Pavlik came and fought Froch and won a SD over Froch, I wouldn't magically put Pavlik at the top of the pile.. or over Froch..

Froch's body of work and wins he has racked up, is greater than Kesslers.

And his loss is not as bad as Kesslers

[THE REED]

jermain taylor isnt a good win, hes dont nothign at 168
aa has not wins at 168 except by then an even more shop worn 160lb jt so hes not ranked high for me either
pascal has no real good wins at 168 either

And all that is still more than Kessler.

Kessler got stopped against Ward, and sc****d a decision against Froch.

That isn't enough to rank ahead of Froch.

[BattlingNelson]

Knocked out Jermain Taylor
Beat Andre Dirrell
Shut out Arthur Abraham
Beat Pascal

Kessler sc****d by Froch, and got stopped against Ward

He has a close win over Froch, but it doesn't outweigh Froch's victories.

And yet Kessler has the better resumé even if you discount Kessler's win in the head-to-head:

Resumee of Froch. 2-times champion at 168:

Pascal (future champ at 175),
Taylor (former champ at 160),
Dirrell,
Kessler (L),
Abraham (former champ at 160).



Resumee of Kessler 4 times champion at 168:

Siaca (champ at 168),
Mundine (future champ at 168 and 160),
Beyer (champ at 168),
Lucas (former champ at 168),
Andrade,
Calzaghe (L) (champ at 168 future champ at 175)
Sartison (future champ at 168),
Ward (L) (champ at 168)
Froch.

[chav]

difficult to rate, but something like this

1)ward
2)froch (due to competition and think he would beat kessler if they went again)
3)kessler
4)bute (needs to step up the competition & step out of canada)
5)dirrell

thats my top 5

[THE REED]

And yet Kessler has the better resumé even if you discount Kessler's win in the head-to-head:

Resumee of Froch. 2-times champion at 168:

Pascal (future champ at 175),
Taylor (former champ at 160),
Dirrell,
Kessler (L),
Abraham (former champ at 160).



Resumee of Kessler 4 times champion at 168:

Siaca (champ at 168),
Mundine (future champ at 168 and 160),
Beyer (champ at 168),
Lucas (former champ at 168),
Andrade,
Calzaghe (L) (champ at 168 future champ at 175)
Sartison (future champ at 168),
Ward (L) (champ at 168)
Froch.

And Roy Jones has a better resume than Jean Pascal... but we wouldn't put Roy over Pascal in the rankings right now, would we?

[heat27]

1.Andre Ward
2.Carl Froch
3.Lucian Bute
4.Mikkel Kessler
5.Andre Dirrell
6.Glen Johnson
7.Arthur Abraham
8.Sakio Bika
9.Librado Andrade
10. Robert Stieglitz