Simple question: How could Pac win the 154 belt weighing 144?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

you're a tool---and i won't bother putting in laughing smiley faces after this, because it's not funny at all--it's not a joke either--you really are a tool---and you know it--

Dear---Floyd,

i---love---you---so----much----please---come---back---and---teach---your---dumbass---fans---that---there----are---no---minimum---weight---limits---again---i---love---you---very---much


forever---yours---

pbftxrs316

[PainKiller]

that's the whole point--it is allowed but it's bull****---when floyd moved up to fight de la hoya, he lost his speed--floyd did weight 150 at the weigh-in--but he let oscar weigh in at 154, not 150--manny being allowed to be smaller is bull****---and he should not have his title wins at 147 and 154 count--it's corruption imo--because being a smaller fighter can be a huge disadvantage--meaing manny is comfortable being smaller, whereas margarito had to drain himself to weigh 150 and you dumbass manny fans know it---these catchweight championship fights are totally nonsense if you ask me---

winning titles at weights you don't even weigh at---it's ****ed up bull****, but his fans will support his every move--they've been brainwashed for years--so don't mind them--

floyd has legitimate title wins, margarito does also, so does cotto(even though he's fought for vacant titles a little too much for my liking--lol--)---not manny---he has them at the smaller weights but no way in hell does he have legit title wins at 154 and 147--no way in hell---he doesn't really hold records if you ask me--it's a sham---

manny coming in smaller--maintains his speed--which was the key to manny beating tony--margarito was slow to begin with--manny made him look much slower fighting small and moving a lot---would he had moved that much and looked that fast had he actually fought at 154 or 150 for that matter--and i don't meaning coming into the fight that day weighing 150--i mean the weigh-in--and the fight day, he either gains more weight or loses the weight----tony should have been allowed to come in at the weigh-in weighing 154 pounds, not 150, not 145--154!

manny's last 2 title wins are shams---not real--

You ****ing hater.

and also a **** sucker.

Where the **** in any rule book does it say you have to be in range.

Most of the time, a bigger guy with weight has the advantage. That's why people rehydrate.

Since you don't know the ****ing rules of boxing, go and kill yourself with a ****ing lemon and a tooth pick somehow. A dumb **** like you could do it.

[megadeth]

As an aside and IMO ...

Pac probably beats Martinez at 154 by UD/SD, possibly even by TKO
if at 150 contractual. It's just workrate, speed and superior stamina.
Problem is, Pac will take HEAVY damage, and he has to consider if a
W against Sergio is worth the possbile longterm health risk.

Floyd Jr. would decision Martinez WITHOUT taking as much damage,
so it should be a easier choice to him, if he would just stop getting
into so much drama out of the ring.

I agree w/most of that. Except I am not sure if Pac beats Martinez at 154. I guess it just depends on the terms. If Pac has to come in at 150 or above, I don't think there is any way he beats him. I HIGHLY doubt that would agree to that though.

[Frogs!]

that's the whole point--it is allowed but it's bull****---when floyd moved up to fight de la hoya, he lost his speed--floyd did weight 150 at the weigh-in--but he let oscar weigh in at 154, not 150--manny being allowed to be smaller is bull****---and he should not have his title wins at 147 and 154 count--it's corruption imo--because being a smaller fighter can be a huge disadvantage--meaing manny is comfortable being smaller, whereas margarito had to drain himself to weigh 150 and you dumbass manny fans know it---these catchweight championship fights are totally nonsense if you ask me---

winning titles at weights you don't even weigh at---it's ****ed up bull****, but his fans will support his every move--they've been brainwashed for years--so don't mind them--

floyd has legitimate title wins, margarito does also, so does cotto(even though he's fought for vacant titles a little too much for my liking--lol--)---not manny---he has them at the smaller weights but no way in hell does he have legit title wins at 154 and 147--no way in hell---he doesn't really hold records if you ask me--it's a sham---

manny coming in smaller--maintains his speed--which was the key to manny beating tony--margarito was slow to begin with--manny made him look much slower fighting small and moving a lot---would he had moved that much and looked that fast had he actually fought at 154 or 150 for that matter--and i don't meaning coming into the fight that day weighing 150--i mean the weigh-in--and the fight day, he either gains more weight or loses the weight----tony should have been allowed to come in at the weigh-in weighing 154 pounds, not 150, not 145--154!

manny's last 2 title wins are shams---not real--

thank god i'm well versed in morse code.

[| THE KING |]

that's the whole point--it is allowed but it's bull****---when floyd moved up to fight de la hoya, he lost his speed--floyd did weight 150 at the weigh-in--but he let oscar weigh in at 154, not 150--manny being allowed to be smaller is bull****---and he should not have his title wins at 147 and 154 count--it's corruption imo--because being a smaller fighter can be a huge disadvantage--meaing manny is comfortable being smaller, whereas margarito had to drain himself to weigh 150 and you dumbass manny fans know it---these catchweight championship fights are totally nonsense if you ask me---

winning titles at weights you don't even weigh at---it's ****ed up bull****, but his fans will support his every move--they've been brainwashed for years--so don't mind them--

floyd has legitimate title wins, margarito does also, so does cotto(even though he's fought for vacant titles a little too much for my liking--lol--)---not manny---he has them at the smaller weights but no way in hell does he have legit title wins at 154 and 147--no way in hell---he doesn't really hold records if you ask me--it's a sham---

manny coming in smaller--maintains his speed--which was the key to manny beating tony--margarito was slow to begin with--manny made him look much slower fighting small and moving a lot---would he had moved that much and looked that fast had he actually fought at 154 or 150 for that matter--and i don't meaning coming into the fight that day weighing 150--i mean the weigh-in--and the fight day, he either gains more weight or loses the weight----tony should have been allowed to come in at the weigh-in weighing 154 pounds, not 150, not 145--154!

manny's last 2 title wins are shams---not real--

Do you ever get tired of typing your little novels?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437252

Titled: I really miss the Floyd from 2005...the "gatti" floyd mayweather jr...

Now there's boxing to watch.. you should do the same, get off Floyds stuff man it's unhealthy.

[el rey]

he paid a sanctioning fee. thats it.

[horge]

I agree w/most of that. Except I am not sure if Pac beats Martinez at 154. I guess it just depends on the terms. If Pac has to come in at 150 or above, I don't think there is any way he beats him. I HIGHLY doubt that would agree to that though.

Why would Pac try to come in at 150 or over?
Not even Sergio's camp is asking for that.
They ARE trying to limit how much Sergio drains for the weigh-in.

I figure his walk-around to be 180 or so, with a fight-night of 168,
which is why he's dangling 154-155 for the weigh-in: rehydrating
back up to 168 is still feasible if he drains wisely.

If Roach and Arum get diBella to yield another few pounds, Sergio's
stamina takes a small hit, which in turn (and more importantly) fucks
around with his confidence too. But this can backfire: more biking
on Sergio's part.


I'd rather Pac agree to 155, with only Sergio's belt on the line.
Sergio is going to be pretty ****y and will try to mix it up, and that
will be his undoing. Whether Sergio weighs in at 150 or 155, he can
still be outworked by Manny, and he suffers a speed disadvantage
as well. He won't be KO'd, but a TKO on the basis of burgerface is
remotely possible. UD or SD is more feasible.

Pac might get stopped if he gets hit flush on the button, but he's
not as sloppy as PWill was in Sergio's last W. In any case (again),
Pac mightn't be the same after a war at MW. He has to decide if
the damage is worth the prize.

JM2