Technical analysis why Floyd will NEVER fight Pac or Sergio

[sonofisis]

Its a well-known fact that Floyd doesn't have a jab. It's also a fact DLH broke Floyd's nose using a JAB.

What Floyd does is sit on his shoulder-roll, waits for his opponents to fire and then apply the proper counter.

Regarding the left-hand, Floyd doesn't use it as a jab but more of leaping left hooks.

Martinez is a far-more technically sound fighter. Better jab, better combinations (Floyd has none), par footwork, par handspeed. And Sergio comes in at even weirder angles which are near-impossible to time.

Pac on the other hand comes at you at break-neck speed and angles you never knew existed.

The rest of the reason why Floyd wont fight either Sergio or Pac is already listed on the first post.

3. Floyd may be ****** as a man and no honor and sense of dignity. He may be considered one of the lowest scum of a creature and the very definition of a coward. But

You know, I haven't posted here in a long time but I just NEEDED to say that you are a hate-filled imbecile with absolutely no boxing IQ whatsoever. First you, I mean YOU (as in some weirdo creep keyboard judge of higher morality-some petty commoner/cyber clown) somehow build the nerve to attack a grown man that you don't know on all of these personal fronts (******ity, cowardice, scum), yet you supplement this qualitative observation with boxing facts that are beyond erroneous and absolutely ridiculous!

Mayweather, no jab?! Limited only to a Philly shell defense? Despite dominating Judah for 9 straight rounds, he has no answer to south paws? What is this crap based on and are you freaking ******? Why would most Floyd fans dignify this with a response (me, only to ridicule your incompetence)?

For Christ's sake! Some of the most ******edly biased people I've ever seen in my life post on boxing forums. I wonder what it is...

[Khalid X]

It's not even the technical aspect. I've ask those Floyd fans who were calling for this fight this simple question....yet they never answered:

Why would Floyd face Sergio, when he can make more money fighting Amir Khan? Floyd is about money....so a fight with Sergio makes no sense to him.

[Stigma]

I agree with parts of this, primarily the first half. I don't think we'll ever see Mayweather take a Margarito-style beating. I'm not so sure his legs are shot, either. Freddie has been wrong in his assessments before. After Hopkins lost to Calzaghe he said Bernard was done, went to the wrong corner, et cetera, then he went out and destroyed Pavlik. So I'm not putting too much stock in that statement about Floyd's mobility.

That being said, I agree about southpaws versus the shoulder roll. The first half of the Judah fight showed that a fast southpaw could have some success against Floyd, particularly if he jabs to the body. Pacquiao would counter that with right hooks. And I mean, even though jabs have been shown to trouble Manny in the past, show me a fight in which he hasn't overcome an opponent's jab? His neutralizing Cotto's jab was something to behold, because that first round saw his head snapping all over the place, and Miguel has one of the best jabs in boxing.

This is a toss up for me, too. 50/50, with me wanting Manny to win, but expecting Floyd to. I just want to see an amazing fight. As for Martinez, Floyd beats him easy. Not as fast on his feet and keeps his hands low. Leaping left hook, anybody?

[Joartcc7]

It's not even the technical aspect. I've ask those Floyd fans who were calling for this fight this simple question....yet they never answered:

Why would Floyd face Sergio, when he can make more money fighting Amir Khan? Floyd is about money....so a fight with Sergio makes no sense to him.

From a technical standpoint Floyd is no match for Sergio. Everything that Floyd does is countered style-wise of the skillsets possessed by Sergio. And Sergio is a LOT BIGGER than Floyd with just about the same speed and quickness.

A Pac fight is something that Floyd will never want. At least not until Pac slows down considerably ala Hagler-Leonard (no disrespect to Leonard of course). Pac is quoted on saying "HE WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHATEVER WILL HAPPEN TO FLOYD JR. BUT FLOYD SR. WILL BE TO BLAME".

The single sentence in itself made cowards of the whole Mayweather clan and with good reason. Pac is usually mild-mannered and for him to utter that warning is something to be afraid of.

Again stylewise IF and that is IF indeed Floyd's legs are shot. Pac will murder him. Otherwise it is a 50-50 fight.

[Cash Cow]

I Call BULL ****!

If Manny Pacquiao was unable to prevent Juan Manuel Marquez from easily countering him when he walked in to punch and easily landed the RIGHT HAND over and over, how will Pacquiao be able to deal with Floyd Mayweathers counters and right hands? Mayweather is a much, much, much better defensive fighter than Marquez, hence the reason Marquez was only able to land 69 out of 583 punches which equals %12.

Juan Manuel Marquez vs "The New & Improved" Pacquiao in their 2nd fight was able to land 172 out of 511 punches which equals a connect percentage of 34%. Marquez was actually able to OUTLAND Pacquiao in BOTH fights they had. Also in both fights Pacquiao threw 100 more punches than Marquez but was unable to outland the flatfooted Marquez.

Will Mayweather have similar success vs Manny as Marquez did with the counterpunching and right hands?

[GrandpaBernard]

And I mean, even though jabs have been shown to trouble Manny in the past, show me a fight in which he hasn't overcome an opponent's jab? His neutralizing Cotto's jab was something to behold, because that first round saw his head snapping all over the place, and Miguel has one of the best jabs in boxing.

Morales and Marquez were controlling manny with the jab. Floyd has a better jab than Cotto. He knows how to time his jab. Cotto just has more power behind his jab than Floyd does.

pac and sergio will be even more open to right hands courtesy of their southpaw stance. Floyd has the best right hand in the business of boxing. The right hand + left hook combo is a southpaw killer, Floyd's two best punches.

[Cash Cow]

Let alone Floyd fighting both of them.

One word. Southpaw.

Floyd's defensive style has huge technical advantages over orthodox fighters. The shoulder-roll defense works great versus right-handed fighters plus Floyd's immense footwork gets him into position to either defend or shoot counters on right-handed opponents.

But the advantages end with right-handed fighters and those same manuevers straight-up BACKFIRES against southpaws.

1. Shoulder-roll defense doesn't work against southpaws. In fact southpaws (like Pac and Sergio) would feast on the shoulder roll because the very angles with which the shoulder roll evades shots coming from right-handed fighters, are straight FREEBIE power shot angles against southpaws. Leaning to your right then pivoting to the left is a straight-up invitation for a straight left-hand. Not to mention a quick power-right hook to the body is also a gimme with a southpaw facing the shoulder-roll defense.

2. Floyd knows his shoulder-roll will backfire on him against either Pac or Sergio so his next best defensive tactic is to utilize a high-guard and implement a lot of footwork. Time and time again Pac has shown that he has one of the best uppercuts in boxing. Pac can shoot his uppercut while in long to midrange by utilizing angles and fast footwork.

Not to mention that if Floyd uses a high guard Pac will just keep him busy covering up by firing flurries. It is certain that Floyd will catch Pac with a few shots coming in but Pac will be firing 3-5 punch combinations from all angles from midrange. The fight will then be similar to the Clottey fight where Pac will pile up volume and win via volume and aggression. With a somewhat lopsided decision.

3. Floyd may be ****** as a man and no honor and sense of dignity. He may be considered one of the lowest scum of a creature and the very definition of a coward. But you cannot call Floyd as moronic. As a boxer Floyd knows his boxing and the whole Mayweather clan knows that with Pac's style of speed, power, great footwork, chin, stamina.etc. The only way Floyd wins is if he goes all-out. The Mayweather clan knows that Floyd cannot win by pot-shotting because the CALIBER OF THE OPPONENT IS OF SUCH A LEVEL THAT THERE IS NO RECOURSE BUT TO GO TO WAR.

And that is what Floyd doesn't want.

4. I would honestly say that a Pac-Floyd fight is a 50/50. A complete toss-up. But I vividly remember what Roach said regarding Floyd's legs being shot.

If that's the case then it changes everything. Floyd no longer having his legs will then be forced to make his stand and utilize less movement. If Floyd tries to use his legs a lot in a 12 round fight against Pac, he will run out of gas.

In the event that Roach is indeed right then Pac straight-out murders Floyd. And I mean a terrible beatdown worse than Margarito recieved.

One must understand that what has gotten Floyd this far are;

a. Defense - shoulder roll wont work against southpaws
b. Footwork - being "leg-shot" means Pac will pick him apart.

Without Floyd's legs being what they used to be Pac will just outright destroy him.

As for Sergio M. Floyd will never fight Sergio because Sergio is a more complete boxer than Floyd. Not to mention he's bigger and a SOUTHPAW.

On a technical level Sergio is more technically sound and a lot harder to figure than Floyd.

WOW!!! just WOW!!
LMAO!!!

Whats up with the MYTH that Mayweather has trouble with southpaws?


Floyd Mayweather vs DEMARCUS CORLEY

Mayweather Landed 47% of his 50 punches per round and 53% of his power shots.

Mayweather Outlanded Corley 283-150 in total punches.

Mayweather Dropped Corley in 8th & 10th rounds, landing 28 power shots in 8th & 34 in 10th.

OH and Mayweather shoulder rolled all night on Corley...

8th & 10th rounds...problems with southpaws?


Mayweather Finished strong, outlanding Corley 120-44 in power shots over last 5 rounds.

Scoring: 119-107; 118-108; 119-108


Floyd Mayweather vs Zab Judah

Mayweather dropped first 2 rounds on 2 cards after getting outlanded 11-5 in power shots in opening 6 minutes. Start of round 3 All Floyd from then on, as he outlanded Judah 153-53 in power shots, including 28-2 in the 9th. Floyd played some “D” as well, as Judah landed in single digits in total connects in 10 of 12 rounds.

Rounds 7,8 & 9..Utter dominance


Overall, Mayweather landed 205 of 441 (46%) total punches to 89 of 485 (18%) for Zab.

Floyd also landed 158 of 322 (49%) power shots to 64 of 177 (36%) for Judah, who managed to land just 25 of 308 jabs (8%).

Scoring: 116-112; 117-111; 119-109.


I sincerely hope this isn't ALL Freddie Roach has to go off of to prepare Manny Pacquiao for Floyd Mayweather


no please RE-think what you just said about Marquez being better at fighting southpaws.....actually why dont you give me the punch stats from those fight....thanks champ!

Men lie, Women lie, NUMBERS DONT!!

[Cash Cow]

2. Floyd knows his shoulder-roll will backfire on him against either Pac or Sergio so his next best defensive tactic is to utilize a high-guard and implement a lot of footwork. Time and time again Pac has shown that he has one of the best uppercuts in boxing. Pac can shoot his uppercut while in long to midrange by utilizing angles and fast footwork.

Not to mention that if Floyd uses a high guard Pac will just keep him busy covering up by firing flurries. It is certain that Floyd will catch Pac with a few shots coming in but Pac will be firing 3-5 punch combinations from all angles from midrange. The fight will then be similar to the Clottey fight where Pac will pile up volume and win via volume and aggression. With a somewhat lopsided decision.

somebody hasnt seen the Pacquiao-Clottey fight...

[GrandpaBernard]

WOW!!! just WOW!!
LMAO!!!

Whats up with the MYTH that Mayweather has trouble with southpaws?


Floyd Mayweather vs DEMARCUS CORLEY

Mayweather Landed 47% of his 50 punches per round and 53% of his power shots.

Mayweather Outlanded Corley 283-150 in total punches.

Mayweather Dropped Corley in 8th & 10th rounds, landing 28 power shots in 8th & 34 in 10th.

OH and Mayweather shoulder rolled all night on Corley...

8th & 10th rounds...problems with southpaws?


Mayweather Finished strong, outlanding Corley 120-44 in power shots over last 5 rounds.

Scoring: 119-107; 118-108; 119-108


Floyd Mayweather vs Zab Judah

Mayweather dropped first 2 rounds on 2 cards after getting outlanded 11-5 in power shots in opening 6 minutes. Start of round 3 All Floyd from then on, as he outlanded Judah 153-53 in power shots, including 28-2 in the 9th. Floyd played some “D” as well, as Judah landed in single digits in total connects in 10 of 12 rounds.

Rounds 7,8 & 9..Utter dominance


Overall, Mayweather landed 205 of 441 (46%) total punches to 89 of 485 (18%) for Zab.

Floyd also landed 158 of 322 (49%) power shots to 64 of 177 (36%) for Judah, who managed to land just 25 of 308 jabs (8%).

Scoring: 116-112; 117-111; 119-109.


I sincerely hope this isn't ALL Freddie Roach has to go off of to prepare Manny Pacquiao for Floyd Mayweather


no please RE-think what you just said about Marquez being better at fighting southpaws.....actually why dont you give me the punch stats from those fight....thanks champ!

Men lie, Women lie, NUMBERS DONT!!

This is true. Floyd beat up 6 southpaws in his entire career, going 40 rounds total with them. Only one of them managed to win any rounds, it was Zab Judah, and he managed to win a grand total of 2 rounds.

Floyd's second pro fight was against a southpaw. His handlers wouldn't have put him in with a southpaw that early in his career if he didn't know how to beat them up.

[Pacquiao'd]

floyd has dominated and beat the **** out of every southpaw hes fought. your post fails. on the other hand, pac has avoided OST thus floyd b.c he went life and death, twice with a counter puncher who isnt no where near floyds level