So is Pac an 8 division world champion or not?

[jrosales13]

"If Manny is willing to defend his WBC super welterweight title, I would come down to 154 pounds to challenge him for it as well as allow him to challenge me for my WBC middleweight title," said Martinez. "It would be the opportunity of a lifetime. But I'm a realist and if he feels that he is physically too small to fight me I certainly understand that too."

"Sergio is willing to fight next at 154 pounds -- defending his WBC middleweight title as well as fighting for the WBC super welterweight title which would be vacated by Manny Pacquiao." - DiBella.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33164

(They will duplicate what Sugar Ray Leonard- Lalonde did. A catchweight with two weight titles at stake.

You can`t question boxing rules and history with your pure imaginings.)

OK that will equal 9 not 10. Are you a Floyd fan or a former Floyd fan cuz your mathematical skills is not up to par.

[HandSpeed303]

Did he win a title at 154? Yes. Will he defend that title ate 154? Most likely, No...

So I guess it really all depends on the fan(s) you are talking too. I got the fight cause of the fight, not cause of the title involved...But that's just me.

[jrosales13]

Oscar had stopped a top 5 JMW Ricardo Mayorga who was WBC champion. So DLH won his WBC title from a champion. Between Mayweather vs DLH vs Mayorga, there was no vacant titles or catchweights. One champion passed it on to the next at 154 not 150 or anything like that.

How did Mayorga win the WBC title?

That is what IMDAZED meant by manufactured. Especially since Mayorga really didn't do a damn thing at 154 prior to winning that bogus WBC title.

[jrosales13]

Not unless u win the Lineal championship. But if ur just gonna win one of those useless ABC belts, u should defend it before I consider u a champion.

I don't know if I agree with that.

Whitaker didn't win the lineal title at 154 and just won one of those useless ABC belts, but he beat a very good fighter and title holder and the much bigger strong guy. And, Whitaker won like 10 rounds against Julio Cesar Vazquez who was 53-1 and had wins over Castillejo, Marshall, and Winky. And, Pernell beat him decisively.

Doesn't get the credit for the lineal title but he SHOULD get credit for beating a true good title holder in that division even though he never defended the title.

However, that circumstances is different than Pac claim.

[BoZz]

so he gets the titles by weight draining his opponent and when someone else like martinez could fight for the title he's holdng he can't defend it at the weight as the title is supposed to be fought at?

[HandSpeed303]

so he gets the titles by weight draining his opponent and when someone else like martinez could fight for the title he's holdng he can't defend it?

Who did he weight drain sir?

[Bahamut Zero]

80-100 years from now, the only thing that would CLEARLY be on peoples minds is he's an 8 Division Champ/Belter. (That is on history books already!)

All your arguments right now would settle in a trash bin 2 years from now...

[Steak]

being a 'world' champ nowadays means WAY less than it did about 15+ years ago. just ignore it. even this silly 'lineal' thing is crap.


only look at who he beat. its the quality of opponents that matters. and its a DAMN good resume of wins.

[sNiTcH]

so he gets the titles by weight draining his opponent and when someone else like martinez could fight for the title he's holdng he can't defend it at the weight as the title is supposed to be fought at?

so marg was weight draining? LOL

[Eastbay Giant]

I see Pacquiao as a legitimate two division lineal champ winner. At Flyweight & Featherweight. Before all the bogus Super, Junior straps were created, boxing was only 8 divisions. Belts are belts, but the ATG's of the past earned there mettle by beating the best in the division they competed in. Pacquiao fighting and beating Berto will make him the man @ WW, and give him recognition over Floyd IMO because Floyd @ this point simply is not fighting enough. If he does that, then I will have no further argument against Pacquiao.