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  • #51
    Originally posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    nuff said..that's why there are judges. The record books will always say that Pac won and you can't argue with that because this is a FACT and not an opinion. Live with it.

    Lmaol omg you are just one of those hardheaded people that probably really believe that trinidad really beat dlh lmaol. Who is arguing that pac didnt won of course he did the win is on record what i said that marquez really won the second fight that was my opinion and most of the boxing experts also had jmm winning the second fight and yeah if the fans opinion dont count then i guess the fans shouldnt really watch boxing fights and just hear the result right?? Boxing is not like baseball basketball that the game is determine by one owns performances for example scoring some points in basketball runs in baseball in boxing you can completely dominate the opponent and the judges will see it other way mostly due to corrupt judges and who theyre promoters are also due to boxers popularity and judges being biased. Those are all facts like dlh should of really lost to sturm the win is on his record thougg he should of really won the rematch against mosley the loss is on his record as well as the trinidad fight.

    Do you also really believe cintron deserve the draw against martinez or how santa cruz the loss over casamayor when casamayor got the gift just because of who he was.

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    • #52
      JMM deserves another fight with mannny tbf

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      • #53
        first fight had pacquiao winning by 1pt. second fight i had it 6 rds a piece with the kd being the difference. imo.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by rican411 View Post
          JMM doesn't want to lose to a up and coming boxer, he doesn't want Guerrerro or Lopez, whats new, only Khan? Morales? Pacman? Way to cherry pick LOL lets not forget Maya and Humberto Soto LOL
          Marquez would mop the floor with lopez. He is not his baby brother who is moving up in weight. If lopez is calling marquez out he doesnt get to call the shots if he wants marquez he needs to move up not the other way around. And you do know he called out two legends who would make him more money than facing guerrero or lopez.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by periks19 View Post
            Lmaol omg you are just one of those hardheaded people that probably really believe that trinidad really beat dlh lmaol. Who is arguing that pac didnt won of course he did the win is on record what i said that marquez really won the second fight that was my opinion and most of the boxing experts also had jmm winning the second fight and yeah if the fans opinion dont count then i guess the fans shouldnt really watch boxing fights and just hear the result right?? Boxing is not like baseball basketball that the game is determine by one owns performances for example scoring some points in basketball runs in baseball in boxing you can completely dominate the opponent and the judges will see it other way mostly due to corrupt judges and who theyre promoters are also due to boxers popularity and judges being biased. Those are all facts like dlh should of really lost to sturm the win is on his record thougg he should of really won the rematch against mosley the loss is on his record as well as the trinidad fight.

            Do you also really believe cintron deserve the draw against martinez or how santa cruz the loss over casamayor when casamayor got the gift just because of who he was.
            Let us argue on the matter once you are able to distinguish facts from opinion. You even mentioned performance/ scoring in basketball and differentiated it from boxing. Where lies the difference? Do the math. Corrupt judges is still an opinion, not a fact. Or shall we just disregard the judges and let the viewers decide by clapping their hands..what do you think?

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            • #56
              What will be the reactions of african-american boxers itching to fight Pacman too?

              Enough of these Mexicans, Pacman has all proven that he can beat them.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by del515 View Post
                And since you used the word "*******" I can also assume your position with Pac. Fact is Pac goes around when he's not training at around 148+ lbs according to Ariza and Roach. If you watch early fights of Pac's career most critics approved his moving up thinking he could be more effective at bigger weights. To not whitewash history, technically history seems to agree that Pac is a natural 143-145lb fighter and that's his effective fighting weight without having to either dramatically diet, dehydrate or change is work regiment. Given that Marquez has a natural body weight around the lower 130s and doesn't fight above 135, in hindsight on scores I'd have given the first win on points to Pac, the second to JMM.

                Its not always about boxing vs being a bomber, i have to agree that an offensive fighter has bigger drawbacks when facing a counter puncher. That said you can proclaim whatever you wish about "its about boxing and being a pure boxer" as much as you wish. But even if a prime JMM took on Pac at each of their best weights, it would be Pac @ 144 vs a 134 JMM and the result would b a given.

                In the end Pac's popularity has been due to his consistently strong performance against solid opposition; no one was thinking Barrera or Morales was declining either before or during their initial bouts with Pac, Hatton fought at his best weight division where he was undefeated [keeping in mind he lost to Floyd when facing him in the WW division], Cotto was still considered a bigger guy who could win if he could get him on the ropes and Margarito was expected to loose but not the way we thought he would.

                Since you've never picked up the glove it looks like, knockdowns don't win fights, but stop whining like Floy-rant proclaiming boxing is broke because of it. Its not like knockdowns occur easily and knockdowns partially gauge the ability of the boxers on both ends. You may not like it and you seem bitter about it. But grow up already and stop being a a friggin Pac hater for whatever reason. Hey Floyd lost his first bout to Castillo, Pac should've won the first bout and loose the second on points, Hagler should've won over Leonard and Malignaggi should've won the first bout with Diaz. So ***** and moan how much you want. If you want to look at those 2 bouts and somehow transplant it to all of boxing, you seriously have issues. The way I look at it, if the first bout went to Pac, there wouldn't have been a second and that's that really.
                lmaol you must be ****ing joking right margarito was expected to get ktfo and he didn't the truth why he took a beating was because the corner allowed the fight to continue if they would of stopped it at the 6 7 round all he would of had would of been a bruised up face but instead he had a broken orbital bone because of the unnecessary additional damage. is like the clottey fight two slow ass fighters were expected to get out boxed wow pacquiao pull out a miracle the truth why clottey didn't get any damage was because he chose to just cover his arms and margarito being a warrior choose to scrap with him and look what happen is not like margarito could of revert to boxing when he has been slow pressure fighter with no defense all his life and on top of that he is a damage fighter that was really weight drained seriously he had to use hydroxycut to loose the last few pounds???

                now you want to talk about hatton his best weight when all troughout his camp there were concerns about his weight if you know about boxing or lace your gloves like you so call it you do know how hatton blows up in weight after fights and how he is always drinking do you really think he was the same after how pbf completely flattened his ass if you think a guy coming of a devastating ko loss is the same then you sir really don't know **** about boxing and supposedly you box. On to cotto he was the underdog and pacquiao was the favorite he completely got a brutal beating from marg plaster or no plaster and on top of that another beating from clottey and he would of probably had a better chance if he wouldn't be weightdrained as well.

                If pac would of fought mosley and beat him I would give him more credit than margarito, cotto, clottey and specially hatton but you do remember how team pac completely ducked him and now that pbf beat him and the way he looked against mora now maybe team pac will face him typical pac opponent. point is and those are facts after the marquez rematch he has never faced a really good boxer I mean you are impressed with the diaz fight?? thats like the worst champion ever he basically bought that title from him. remember how he said there was no money with marquez and instead went to 135 for diaz thats really good comp for you please.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Poochiao View Post
                  You really think JMM is afraid of a bum like Soto? So JMM fights and beats Manny twice and fought Floyd at Floyd's natural weight class?

                  Let me get this straight... he fights the best p4p fighter in the world, but he's afraid of a bum like Soto?

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                  • #59
                    Not going to happen while Marquez is with Golden Boy. Too much bad blood between Team Pacquiao and Dela Hoya/Richard Schaeffer for the 3rd fight to happen.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by timba View Post
                      If Khan beats Maidana, I hope he doesn't agree to a Marquez fight. Marquez was offered a fight with Khan instead of Malignaggi and refused because he didn't want to become a 'stepping stone'. Nothing has changed since then.
                      Dream on khan will get his arse beat.

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