Why the Slick AA Boxing style argument against Pac is total BS.

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In other words, whatever point anybody makes that doesn't coincide with your own, is wrong. Cool thread.

Well that is the whole reason behind arguing ones point!

[Proff Griff]

some of ya'll act like pac has never seen the slick african american style before.

he sees it all the time in sparring.

granted it wasn't in the ring in an official fight, but pac has seen that style before and is not intimidated by it.

You are an incredibly obtuse poster. You have degraded yourself by pointing out sparring partners as if that makes a sufficient argument.

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Not much to be intimidated by in sparring.

I guess your right, and don't think I don't respect you as a poster on this forum. You are a very good poster and I know i can fly off the handle at times but I have much respect for ya!

[johnm is...]

I guess your right, and don't think I don't respect you as a poster on this forum. You are a very good poster and I know i can fly off the handle at times but I have much respect for ya!

Fair enough. Feeling is mutual.

[Proff Griff]

Oh and by the way he lost that fight to Collazo......

Not according to the judges and that is all that matters. Oh and by the way, your opinions on a boxing site mean absulutely nothing.

[deejd]

Well that is the whole reason behind arguing ones point!

It's alright, your mind is already made up by the title and your responses.

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Oh and by the way, your opinions on a boxing site mean absulutely nothing.

Maybe you should take your own advice hypocrite.

[Proff Griff]

Maybe you should take your own advice hypocrite.

When did I say my opinion changed the outcome of something factual? When you find that let me know. Hypocrite.

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When did I say my opinion changed the outcome of something factual? When you find that let me know. Hypocrite.

Even if you wern't you still think that makes your opinions anymore meaningful? Even I acknowledge my opinion means little to nothing but watch out MR. Self important is here making sure he lets everyone know how trite their opinions are despite not making one valid argument himself.

[American Dream]

You're missing the point, enitrely.

Pac has been sparring, fighting, preparing against 1 type of fighter his entire career for the most part. All his opponents square up and throw proper punches for the most part, there's nothing out of the ordinary about his opposition at all. He's mastered beating squared up opposition.

Up jabs, lead rights or hooks (even occasional uppers) and small things like that make a HUGE difference. He hasnt come across that style at all or has he fought a guy who blades himself instead of squaring up.

The logic is always brought up with Moralez/Raheem because Raheem is in no way shape or form anywhere near as a good as fighter as Morales is.. he won the fight though, because Morales said " I've never tested myself against a slick fighter, I'd like to now " his exact words. And well, we know the outcome.

It makes all the difference in the world. Raheem is no where near as good as Erik, but erik hadn't had the experience with one.. and he failed the test because of that.

The same thing applies for pac. Styles make all the difference in the world man. Don't look so deep into it with Race and junk.. its not an African American style, it's just AA's are usually the ones to employ such tactics.

But in all actuality there are a lot of fighters who are doing the things that guys are hinting at when they say AA fighters. I.E - Cintrons and his new rolling counters come to mind. He's not squaring up or catchin anything on the gloves anymore, he's coming back off of missed punches nowdays, although he isn't a slick fighter.

Calderon, Guzman, Mayweather, Martinez, etc etc.

Notice, the only person to actually COUNTER pacman was JMM and go figure, thats when Pacman had the most trouble. Otherwise, guys are trying to trade with pacman.. but trade i don't mean "punch with" i mean.. take turns; trade. Pac gets off a 7 punch combo and his opponent tries to respond with a 2 or 3 punch combo, or he waits too long and pac is getting off another combo again.

A few counter punches off missed punches goes a long way, so does a bladed stance.

this post is 100% true...dont try to counter it TS...

Fernando Vargas is also a ***ing ****** ignorent Mexican who I could care less about.

And when Manny Steward calls Pac the finest and most complete boxer on the planet I tend to take his word over yours since he's actually qualified to make that claim.

As for Berto againt Luis Collazo with his less than special handspeed was able to land clean blow after clean blow. Not the tell tale sign of a fighter with cat like reflexes. Berto has good handspeed head and shoulders above 90% of all other boxers but it's not the special speed that Pac has.

..sad that people cant think for themselves..
do you believe everything commentators say?..
same commentator who said Baldomir would beat Floyd!
the thought of Pac being the the most complete boxer on the planet is absolutey absurd..but I will repeat it and believe it, beacause Manny Steward said so...