Why the Slick AA Boxing style argument against Pac is total BS.

[V.WEBB]

I wish manny would just hurry up and knock both of those monkeys out. after that boxing can get back to normal. I don't know how he gets mayweatrher in that ring though. Maybe offer a year supply of purple kool aid and fried chicken?

He won't get banned, it will go unnoticed, like it always does.

[ModernTalking]

Manny is not a slow footed, uncoordinated, brawler with no hand speed and just comes at you in a straight line over and over again. Manny has more hand speed and athletic gifts then any AA fighter you can mention except for Floyd of course and even Floyd is probably only just as fast and just as athletically gifted as Pac so they are on even terms. So before you go buying into this whole Slick AA style ask yourself this. How is it supposed to work when the so called "brawler" they would be facing posseses greater hand speed, reflexes and footwork making it impossiable to avoid the punches? Isn't that the point of the slick AA style? Avoid avoid avoid! So what happens when you can't ***ing avoid whats coming at you because they are twice as fast as you? Sorry guys but there is not one Black fighter outside of Mayweather jr that is not at a disadvantage handspeed and footwork wise if they step into the ring with Pac! The slick style just doesn't work if you are the slower fighter.

Wrong...Pac is a one dimensional brawler who is easy work for Floyd, way easier than the Marquez fight.

[Proff Griff]

Manny is not a slow footed, uncoordinated, brawler with no hand speed and just comes at you in a straight line over and over again. Manny has more hand speed and athletic gifts then any AA fighter you can mention except for Floyd of course and even Floyd is probably only just as fast and just as athletically gifted as Pac so they are on even terms. So before you go buying into this whole Slick AA style ask yourself this. How is it supposed to work when the so called "brawler" they would be facing posseses greater hand speed, reflexes and footwork making it impossiable to avoid the punches? Isn't that the point of the slick AA style? Avoid avoid avoid! So what happens when you can't ***ing avoid whats coming at you because they are twice as fast as you? Sorry guys but there is not one Black fighter outside of Mayweather jr that is not at a disadvantage handspeed and footwork wise if they step into the ring with Pac! The slick style just doesn't work if you are the slower fighter.

The slick style "works" when you are not a come forward sitting duck for Pac's punches. You sir, can't seriously sit here with a straight face and say that Margarito has the same hand speed as Berto, Bradley, or Mosley. Margarito has zero counter punching ability. Juan Manuel Marquez is a great counter puncher which is why he gave the Pac man hell. It's not about color. It's about style. And Pac has not fought an opponent who could effectively counter his attacks or punch with him since the Marquez fights. Those are facts.



Fighters like Mayweather, Mosley, or Berto can punch with him which makes an interesting fight. Although Mosley is long in the tooth coming off two bad performances. It makes no sense to fight him now



You seem to have more of an issue with Hopkins making the claim "slick black fighter." but I'm curious sir, if you take the same issue with Mexicans calling each other "warriors that never quit?"

[pistol whip]

You're missing the point, enitrely.

Pac has been sparring, fighting, preparing against 1 type of fighter his entire career for the most part. All his opponents square up and throw proper punches for the most part, there's nothing out of the ordinary about his opposition at all. He's mastered beating squared up opposition.

Up jabs, lead rights or hooks (even occasional uppers) and small things like that make a HUGE difference. He hasnt come across that style at all or has he fought a guy who blades himself instead of squaring up.

The logic is always brought up with Moralez/Raheem because Raheem is in no way shape or form anywhere near as a good as fighter as Morales is.. he won the fight though, because Morales said " I've never tested myself against a slick fighter, I'd like to now " his exact words. And well, we know the outcome.

It makes all the difference in the world. Raheem is no where near as good as Erik, but erik hadn't had the experience with one.. and he failed the test because of that.

The same thing applies for pac. Styles make all the difference in the world man. Don't look so deep into it with Race and junk.. its not an African American style, it's just AA's are usually the ones to employ such tactics.

But in all actuality there are a lot of fighters who are doing the things that guys are hinting at when they say AA fighters. I.E - Cintrons and his new rolling counters come to mind. He's not squaring up or catchin anything on the gloves anymore, he's coming back off of missed punches nowdays, although he isn't a slick fighter.

Calderon, Guzman, Mayweather, Martinez, etc etc.

Notice, the only person to actually COUNTER pacman was JMM and go figure, thats when Pacman had the most trouble. Otherwise, guys are trying to trade with pacman.. but trade i don't mean "punch with" i mean.. take turns; trade. Pac gets off a 7 punch combo and his opponent tries to respond with a 2 or 3 punch combo, or he waits too long and pac is getting off another combo again.

A few counter punches off missed punches goes a long way, so does a bladed stance.

The difffrence here though is that Marquez is a whole diffrent animal altogether. Marquez is a master boxer not a slick fighter and he takes chances that so called slick boxers wont take. He fought on even terms with pac becasue of his great boxing IQ and it had nothing to do with athletic ability. I can't name one slick boxer that has the same boxing IQ that Marquez has outside of Mayweather JR. Martinez also is not the slick boxer you claim him to be. He uses his athletic prowess to make you miss then attack the hell out of you. not exactly the pot shot artist everyone makes him out to be but martinez Pac is a fantasy fight anyway. Neither can make the weight required to fight eachother so that shouldn't even be part of the equation.

Lets also be honest about De la Hoya and Cotto, neither are straight ahead fighters. they are very well rounded and pose a threat to anyone in their divisions. I believe it was an older slower De La Hoya who the slickest of all boxers could only eek out a 1 round win against was it not?

[pistol whip]

Wrong...Pac is a one dimensional brawler who is easy work for Floyd, way easier than the Marquez fight.

You obviously have never watched a boxing match in your life!

[johnm is...]

The difffrence here though is that Marquez is a whole diffrent animal altogether. Marquez is a master boxer not a slick fighter and he takes chances that so called slick boxers wont take. He fought on even terms with pac becasue of his great boxing IQ and it had nothing to do with athletic ability. I can't name one slick boxer that has the same boxing IQ that Marquez has outside of Mayweather JR. Martinez also is not the slick boxer you claim him to be. He uses his athletic prowess to make you miss then attack the hell out of you. not exactly the pot shot artist everyone makes him out to be but martinez Pac is a fantasy fight anyway. Neither can make the weight required to fight eachother so that shouldn't even be part of the equation.

Lets also be honest about De la Hoya and Cotto, neither are straight ahead fighters. they are very well rounded and pose a threat to anyone in their divisions. I believe it was an older slower De La Hoya who the slickest of all boxers could only eek out a 1 round win against was it not?

You can't really compare the DLH that fought Pacquiao, to the DLH that fought Mayweather, though.

Otherwise, good post.

[johnm is...]

And that "one round win" was much wider in the eyes of damn near everyone on the planet.

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The slick style "works" when you are not a come forward sitting duck for Pac's punches. You sir, can't seriously sit here with a straight face and say that Margarito has the same hand speed as Berto, Bradley, or Mosley. Margarito has zero counter punching ability. Juan Manuel Marquez is a great counter puncher which is why he gave the Pac man hell. It's not about color. It's about style. And Pac has not fought an opponent who could effectively counter his attacks or punch with him since the Marquez fights. Those are facts.



Fighters like Mayweather, Mosley, or Berto can punch with him which makes an interesting fight. Although Mosley is long in the tooth coming off two bad performances. It makes no sense to fight him now



You seem to have more of an issue with Hopkins making the claim "slick black fighter." but I'm curious sir, if you take the same issue with Mexicans calling each other "warriors that never quit?"

Mayweather can punch with him but Berto and Mosely can't and just like it's been said that pac has never fought a slick counter puncher I ask you this.

When have these so called slick boxers ever fought an aggressive puncher who has better handspeed and footwork?

And as for the mexicans never quit comment it's usually something that gets said after a Mexicans "loses" a fight so it's not the same thing.

[Proff Griff]

The difffrence here though is that Marquez is a whole diffrent animal altogether. Marquez is a master boxer not a slick fighter and he takes chances that so called slick boxers wont take. He fought on even terms with pac becasue of his great boxing IQ and it had nothing to do with athletic ability. I can't name one slick boxer that has the same boxing IQ that Marquez has outside of Mayweather JR. Martinez also is not the slick boxer you claim him to be. He uses his athletic prowess to make you miss then attack the hell out of you. not exactly the pot shot artist everyone makes him out to be but martinez Pac is a fantasy fight anyway. Neither can make the weight required to fight eachother so that shouldn't even be part of the equation.

Lets also be honest about De la Hoya and Cotto, neither are straight ahead fighters. they are very well rounded and pose a threat to anyone in their divisions. I believe it was an older slower De La Hoya who the slickest of all boxers could only eek out a 1 round win against was it not?

Preposterous. Are you going to ride with this incredibly inaccurate and silly remark? Mayweather has never taken chances? Berto has never taken chances? Mosley has never taken chances?



Those are the fighters in question whether they are "slick" or not. I don't want to take the time to post a highlight reel of those fighters to show just how erroneous that snide remark really is.




I believe you have imploded in your own thread with this sort of biased drivel.



Your credibility on this topic=0

[pistol whip]

And that "one round win" was much wider in the eyes of damn near everyone on the planet.

And so was Castillo Mayweather 1 and your point being?