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most of you don't even know or understand what Slick Is hahaha
you have guys trying to use Paul Williams as and example and posting stuff like "Slick Is Overrated look what happened to Paul Williams" when in actuality it was absolutely NOTHING about Williams that is "Slick"...actually Martinez is much slicker then Williams and MANY Black Fighters at 147-154, to be honest...the more I think about it...it is not even that Many slick fighters at 147-160...and by the way neither Berto or Mosley are "SLICK"
Mayweather is the epitome of "SLICK" because he can make people miss at will but nobody in boxing today has the natural overall skills of Mayweather, Berto and Mosley are not "SLICK"...BUT both have GREAT HANDSPEED and GREAT FOOTWORK, neither would be just a flat footed target, but both of their defenses actually...SUCK! so in all honesty I think the argument is that people want to see Manny against guys who are not the "Same Flat Footed Fighters", guys with Speed, guys with great footwork and can move, guys that won't just stand Flat Footed in front of him and just take punishment and guys who have hand speed also to actually swing back and that is were I guess guys like Berto and Mosley comes in...but actually Martinez is slicker then Berto and Mosley combined
KILL YOURSELF if you think every black fighter is "SLICK" because that is far from the case, some of you need to pull your heads out of Manny and Mayweather A$$ and go really learn about Boxing and learn about different styles and TechnicsLast edited by sicko; 11-23-2010, 03:07 PM.Comment
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I don't believe the Pac man has better hand speed than either one. That's questionable. I believe the handspeed is even or at least comparable.The only way to gauge it is against the other. I believe those fighters in question can match him. Of course the pac man looks incredibly faster than every other fighter when he is fighting slow fighters. He is fast but hiow fast will he look against the fighters in question?
The true test of his hand speed is when he fights a Mayweather, Mosley, or Berto.
As for the Mexican warrior comment you are once again incorrect. Fernando Vargas once claimed that Delahoya wasn't a "true Mexican" in the ring aginst Trinidad. As if that had anything to do with his ability. So yes it IS the same thing.Comment
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What? If there was a definiton in the dictionary of safety first boxer there would be a picture of floyd right next to it. Dont act like im somehow alone in this because every major boxing writer i have ever seen write an article on mayweather has never used the word "risk taker" to describe him.
Berto has taken risks mainly in the Collazo fight but he was forced into it becasue collazo who himslef is not this slow plodding brawler took the fight to berto and forced the action. becasue of that berto had no choice and if Collazo did that with his above average speed what do you think a speed demon like pac is gonna do to him? The Urango fight is a prime example of Bertos safty first style but he did redeem himself against Quintana a Bit but that was against a very ordinary fighter.
Mosely i never have and never will consider a Slick fighter. He was a knock out machine at LW and was always mixing it up when he went up in weight. I don't know where you got the idea that i thought Shane was a safety first fighter? I always admired his toughness and willingness to push the fight.Comment
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Fernando Vargas is also a ***ing ****** ignorent Mexican who I could care less about.
And when Manny Steward calls Pac the finest and most complete boxer on the planet I tend to take his word over yours since he's actually qualified to make that claim.
As for Berto againt Luis Collazo with his less than special handspeed was able to land clean blow after clean blow. Not the tell tale sign of a fighter with cat like reflexes. Berto has good handspeed head and shoulders above 90% of all other boxers but it's not the special speed that Pac has.Comment
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Berto and Mosley are soooo unslick its silly. Black does not = Slick. This whole Pac vs Black fighters thing is ****** and now it has allowed guys like Berto a reason to request a fight with him and a reason for Pac to take that fight to try and prove he isn't scared of black fighters, when really all pressure should be on Pac vs Mayweather happening and any other name should be derided until both sides stop ****in around!!!Comment
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And I agree yes I wanna see manny fight against slick fighters Im all for it. What I am simply stating is that mannys athletic ability and style defeats the slick style anyways because he himself is not gonna just chase and throw slow looping punches which the slick style is most effective against.
Sure manny has never prepered for this kind of boxer before but when have these slick boxers ever preperred for a fighter like Manny? An attacking boxer that you can't avoid because he posseses unlimited stamina, and world class hand speed and footwork.Comment
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Of course you are not alone. There are many ignorant people who make those statements. They equate superior defense with running. Some if these same "writers" you emulate still believe Pernell Whitaker and Ray Leonard were runners. I consider the term "safety first" an incredibly ****** label. It usually comes from people who have never stepped foot in a boxing ring. Did Mayweather fight a safety first fight against the hard hitting Mosley?
But I'll play along with your game. What is your definition of safety first?Comment
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