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  • Newsflash to Hopkins: Things change, Black Americans Don't Dominate Boxing Anymore

    The other day Hopkins said he was going to say something really unpopular but true before disclosing his stance on Manny, so I'm going to reply with something else that's unpopular but true.

    Those of you guys that are regulars know me. You know I'm not one of the Soviet-loving guys looking to push some white-supremacy race war **** (Not talking about you, Freedom Fighter). I'm here to discuss a completely different issue; I want to discuss why Hopkins, Nate, and the Mayweathers are being haters and not giving Manny his props.

    It's because Hopkins, the Mayweathers, ect all come from a time period where black Americans dominated boxing. At least in the public's eyes they did. From the 60s to the 2000s there were always numerous famous black American fighters captivating the world's attention.

    There aren't anymore.

    I think this backlash from Hopkins, Nate, and the Mayweathers towards Manny is kind of the same thing as the backlash black fighters got once they took the spotlight away from the ***ish and Italian-American fighters all those years ago.

    When you hear Floyd Sr. talk about Pacquiao, he's always mentioning Pac's accomplishments "have never been done," "no ones ever done that," ect. So? I think what he's really getting at is that Pacquiao is doing something no black fighter has ever done, and Floyd Sr comes from an era where black Americans were the best-of-the-best. There are tons of guys from that era like Holyfield, Tyson, and Roy Jones that give Pac credit were it's due, but the likes of Floyd Sr, Roger, and Bernard are in denial.

    Floyd isn't fighting for whatever reason. Who else is there? Who else has there been? When Pac was at 140 and below, Nate was a bum with 5 losses before exposing Diaz. Bradley and Alexander had yet to make names for themselves.

    So who are these fictional black American fighters Pacquiao is ducking?? Pac went up in weight again and fought Clottey, who, as they pointed out on Boxing Truth, is a lot slicker than Shane Mosley.

    What are your thoughts? Again, I don't need any replies about how I'm a racist or something. Those of you guys that post here know that I'm regularly accused of being racist against white fighters (see my sign).

    While I do think there are some really good black fighters still around, I think it's pretty clear that Americans in general are either not boxing as well or not getting in boxing like they used to be. It's just a shift. Look how many Eastern Europeans are world champions these days as opposed to the 80s.

    In 20 years China could hold the majority of the world titles. Change happens. It doesn't have to be popular, but it happens nonetheless.

    (I know, the thread title was kind of a race-bait thing, but it's the best I could think of)
    Last edited by paulf; 11-23-2010, 12:40 AM.

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    Originally posted by paulf View Post
    The other day Hopkins said he was going to say something really unpopular but true before disclosing his stance on Manny, so I'm going to reply with something else that's unpopular but true.

    Those of you guys that are regulars know me. You know I'm not one of the Soviet-loving guys looking to push some white-supremacy race war ****. I'm here to discuss a completely different issue; I want to discuses why Hopkins, Nate, and the Mayweathers are being haters and not giving Manny his props.

    It's because Hopkins, the Mayweathers, ect all come from a time period where black Americans dominated boxing. At least in the public's eyes they did. From the 60s to the 2000s there were always numerous famous black American fighters captivating the world's attention.

    There aren't anymore.

    I think this backlash from Hopkins, Nate, and the Mayweathers towards Manny is kind of the same thing as the backlash black fighters got once they took the spotlight away from the ***ish and Italian-American fighters all those years ago.

    When you hear Floyd Sr. talk about Pacquiao, he's always mentioning Pac's accomplishments "have never been done," "no ones ever done that," ect. So? I think what he's really getting at is that Pacquiao is doing something no black fighter has ever done, and Floyd Sr comes from an era where black Americans were the best-of-the-best.

    Floyd isn't fighting for whatever reason. Who else is there? Who else has there been? When Pac was at 140 and below, Nate was a bum with 5 losses before exposing Diaz. Bradley and Alexander had yet to make names for themselves.

    So who are these fictional black American fighters Pacquiao is ducking?? Pac went up in weight again and fought Clottey, who, as they pointed out on Boxing Truth, is a lot slicker than Shane Mosley.
    What are your thoughts? Again, I don't need any replies about how I'm a racist or something. Those of you guys that post here know that I'm regularly accused of being racist against white fighters (see my sign).

    While I do think there are some really good black fighters still around, I think it's pretty clear that Americans in general are either not boxing as well or not getting in boxing like they used to be. It's just a shift. Look how many Eastern Europeans are world champions these days as opposed to the 80s.

    In 20 years China could hold the majority of the world titles. Change happens. It doesn't have to be popular, but it happens nonetheless.

    (I know, the thread title was kind of a race-bait thing, but it's the best I could think of)




    I'm not going to get into the slick thing but Clottey is nowhere near as formidable as Mosley. It's not that Pacquaio didn't fight Mosley. That's preposterous to even suggest it. That's not as big an issue for me as why he didn't fight Mosley after Mosley trounced Margarito.



    The reasons given by Pac's camp was dubious at best.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Proff Griff View Post
        I'm not going to get into the slick thing but Clottey is nowhere near as formidable as Mosley. It's not that Pacquaio didn't fight Mosley. That's preposterous to even suggest it. That's not as big an issue for me as why he didn't fight Mosley after Mosley trounced Margarito.

        The reasons given by Pac's camp was dubious at best.
        I defend Floyd on here way more than I defend Pac, but c'mon. Shane tried to make a fight after Mannys one opponent at 147 was a weight-drained Oscar. They offered Shane a fight at 140 and he turned it down.

        Shane went and made a fight with Berto, then immediately signed to fight Floyd once that fell through. After Pac was set to fight Clottey.

        People seem to forget that after Pac's second fight at 147 (Against the guy that beat Shane), Mosley was tied to unification with Berto.

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        • #5
          the most prominent black boxers of today are cowards. Haye and Mayweather. All hype and no balls ducking the best of this era.


          None of them are dynamic fighters either. Mayweather, Direll = runners and duckers

          Hopkins and Ward are huggers.

          Paul Williams just got KTFO.


          Times have changed. Get with the times.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rassclot View Post
            the most prominent black boxers of today are cowards. Haye and Mayweather. All hype and no balls ducking the best of this era.


            None of them are dynamic fighters either. Mayweather, Direll = runners and duckers

            Hopkins and Ward are huggers.

            Paul Williams just got KTFO.


            Times have changed. Get with the times.
            We dont need your racist **** here anymore than we need Bernard or Floyd Srs.

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                maybe I am missing something? it is still a lot of Black Champions in Boxing today:

                Steve Cunningham- Curiserweight Champion
                Tavoris Cloud- Light Heavyweight Champion
                Andre Ward- Super Middleweight Champion
                Andre Berto- Welterweight Champion
                Mike Jones- Welterweight Champion
                Timothy Bradley- Light Welterweight Champion
                Devon Alexander- Light Welterweight Champion

                so can someone PLEASE explain to me this logic about Black Boxers Not Dominating Anymore...SURE it is not like the past but it is still a TON of Black Boxers still making a huge impact in boxing and it is a lot of young black prospect coming up...I don't play to the RACE BS but this forum seems to always attack BLACK fighters simply because their black...

                now people will come and look at this list and try to bash certain fighters and say "this fighter is overrated" "this fighter is boring" "this fighter is that" but yet they are still Champions and some of the TOP fighters in their division

                dominating one division does not mean you are "dominating boxing, your presents in boxing will be in MULTIPLE division, for Example like when Ray Leonard was doing his thing in the Welterweight Division it was Aaron Pryor dominating the Light Welterweight Division underneath him then above him in weight was Marvin Hagler...THAT is DOMINATING Boxing, having 1 Champion does not mean your are "dominating boxing" right now NOBODY in particular is dominating boxing, it is the same situation with Basketball, it is because more global so we are started to see more great international athletes...which is GREAT for Sports! sure you hear people try to predict the future and say Eastern Europeans and Cubans will dominate but talk is CHEAP, it still has to be done in the ring to be able to say "We Are Dominating Boxing"
                Last edited by sicko; 11-23-2010, 01:18 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sicko View Post
                  maybe I am missing something? it is still a lot of Black Champions in Boxing today:

                  Steve Cunningham- Curiserweight Champion
                  Tavoris Cloud- Light Heavyweight Champion
                  Andre Ward- Super Middleweight Champion
                  Andre Berto- Welterweight Champion
                  Mike Jones- Welterweight Champion
                  Timothy Bradley- Light Welterweight Champion
                  Devon Alexander- Light Welterweight Champion

                  so can someone PLEASE explain to me this logic about Black Boxers Not Dominating Anymore...SURE it is not like the past but it is still a TON of Black Boxers still making a huge impact in boxing and it is a lot of young black prospect coming up...I don't play to the RACE BS but this forum seems to always attack BLACK fighters simply because their black...

                  now people will come and look at this list and try to bash certain fighters and say "this fighter is overrated" "this fighter is boring" "this fighter is that" but yet they are still Champions and some of the TOP fighters in their division

                  dominating one division does not mean you are "dominating boxing, your presents in boxing will be in MULTIPLE division, for Example like when Ray Leonard was doing his thing in the Welterweight Division it was Aaron Pryor dominating the Light Welterweight Division underneath him then above him in weight was Marvin Hagler...THAT is DOMINATING Boxing, having 1 Champion does not mean your are "dominating boxing" right now NOBODY in particular is dominating boxing, it is the same situation with Basketball, it is because more global so we are started to see more great international athletes...which is GREAT for Sports! sure you hear people try to predict the future and say Eastern Europeans and Cubans will dominate but talk is CHEAP, it still has to be done in the ring to be able to say "We Are Dominating Boxing"




                  From my observation black men are very hated on this site. Which means we are doing something right.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by paulf View Post
                    I defend Floyd on here way more than I defend Pac, but c'mon. Shane tried to make a fight after Mannys one opponent at 147 was a weight-drained Oscar. They offered Shane a fight at 140 and he turned it down.

                    Shane went and made a fight with Berto, then immediately signed to fight Floyd once that fell through. After Pac was set to fight Clottey.

                    People seem to forget that after Pac's second fight at 147 (Against the guy that beat Shane), Mosley was tied to unification with Berto.




                    It's not about Floyd, sir. My only complaint was the expectation for Mosley to drop to 140. Really?

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