Is the USA losing it's dominance in the sport of boxing?

[elgranluchadore]

Yep, infact they are now known as Ameribums over here.

Guy 1"Who's Klitschko fighting next?"

Guy 2 "Some ameribum"

Guy 1 "Darn, I wish he fought a top european"

not only in the heavier divisions but in the smaller also
u guys remember freddie norwood kevin kelley tapia romero tim austin etc
us cant produce a small fighter with class anymore the closest they got was with viloria (pinoy roots) and luevano (mexican roots)

[Check]

No, you completely missed what I said.

Here's an example:

The USA has by far the greatest TOTAL NUMBER of pro boxers, including 414 heavyweights.

But although Ukraine has only 24 pro heavyweights compared to the USA's 414 pro heavyweights, the TWO BEST heavyweights in the world are Ukrainian.

The USA has the greatest QUANTITY, but not the best QUALITY boxers.

Don't you think a lot of that has to do with Ukraine only allowing their very best fighters into the pro game. Any bum in America that wants to fight can get in there and lace em up.

[Prince Boateng]

No, you completely missed what I said.

Here's an example:

The USA has by far the greatest TOTAL NUMBER of pro boxers, including 414 heavyweights.

But although Ukraine has only 24 pro heavyweights compared to the USA's 414 pro heavyweights, the TWO BEST heavyweights in the world are Ukrainian.

The USA has the greatest QUANTITY, but not the best QUALITY boxers.

Yes, so now compare JUST UKRAINE with AMERICA ACROSS the whole divisions...see how easy it is...

[Check]

It's the truth though, Charlie Zellenoff is a pro boxer. A dude like Zelly could never turn pro in the Ukraine.

['Sugar' Freddi]

On BoxRec, only 3 Americans are in the top 10 P4P. I guess that says something?

[elgranluchadore]

It's easy when Mexicans direct competition is usually against other Mexicans. Other than a few fighters here and there the lower weights are always between Mexicans. Americans on the other hand are fighting in MORE divisions than Mexicans and against MORE fighters from MANY more nations. Gotta remember now many countries outside of 3rd world nations can get down to 110 lbs.

excuses ALL mexicans campions have earned their titles against foreign rivals
alvarez just beat that japanese guy for the 154 title
vazquez beat korean kim
marquez beat american juan diaz
soto beat american david diaz
most of our champions are past the 110 division, they ruling lightweight which used to be full of americans like the the 3 diaz and nate campbell, mayweather corrales spadafora etc
where are the american lightweights now? they used to be a lot of champions there

[cleaner147]

check is th only one who doesnt want to open his eyes. thats fake pride homey. let it go.

[Check]

check is th only one who doesnt want to open his eyes. thats fake pride homey. let it go.

No, I understand that Americans are not as dominant as they once were, that's pretty obvious. The way Tunney worded it made me choose the second option though. America is still producing more top fighters than any country in the world. Yes, they are losing their dominance but they still produce more talent than any other country in the world.

[Check]

excuses ALL mexicans campions have earned their titles against foreign rivals
alvarez just beat that japanese guy for the 154 title
vazquez beat korean kim
marquez beat american juan diaz
soto beat american david diaz
most of our champions are past the 110 division, they ruling lightweight which used to be full of americans like the the 3 diaz and nate campbell, mayweather corrales spadafora etc
where are the american lightweights now? they used to be a lot of champions there

Are we going to consider Mexican Americans, Americans or Mexicans? Mexicans keep wanting to claim Victor Ortiz, Robert Guerrero, Brandon Rios and other Mexican Americans as their own but then they want to disown Juan Diaz and David Diaz. I can't debate this because no one can make their minds up.

[BirdSong]

For a country with over 300 million people and a boxing history, america is doing poorly in real terms, but are good at making excuses about it